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    UK - Helen McCourt, 22, Billinge, Merseyside, 9 Feb 1988 *I. Simms guilty*

    A grieving mum campaigning for killers to stay behind bars until they reveal the location of their victimsí bodies will hand a 300,000-strong petition to David Cameron on Thursday (today!).

    Marie McCourt, 72, is calling on the PM to change the law so that killers who refuse to say where their victims are should be denied parole.

    Mrs McCourt wants the new rules to be called Helenís Law in memory of her daughter Helen, 22, who was killed in 1988 by pub landlord Ian Simms.

    Her body has never been found.

    http://www.newslocker.com/en-uk/regi...-cameron/view/



    For almost three decades Simms has refused to reveal the whereabouts of Helenís body. He is eligible for parole in January 2016. If parole is granted, my hopes of finding my daughter may never be realised. No other family should live this ordeal.

    I, hereby, petition the Prime Minister David Cameron and Home Secretary Theresa May to acknowledge the pain and distress caused to the families of missing murder victims by:

    • Denying parole to murderers for as long as they refuse to disclose the whereabouts of their victimís remains
    • Passing a full life tariff (denying parole or release) until the murderer discloses the location (and enables the recovery) of their victimís remains
    • Automatically applying the following rarely-used common law offences in murder trials without a body*; preventing the burial of a corpse and conspiracy to prevent the burial of a corpse, disposing of a corpse, obstructing a coroner (*as in the case of R v Hunter, 1974 (from Archbold, Criminal Pleading Evidence and Practice 2015)


    https://www.change.org/p/david-camer...fb_ref=Default

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    I absolutely agree with this 100%!

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    Me too! Hope this mum is successful and paves the way for many others.

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    Update (under the petition):

    Devastating news re #HelensLaw

    3 Feb 2016 — Today, the Parole Board announced a recommendation that my daughter’s killer, Ian Simms, be moved to open conditions within 28 days.

    The announcement has left me devastated – but even more determined that Helen’s Law must succeed to save other families from being put through this torture.

    I will be presenting my petition for Helen’s Law to Downing Street tomorrow at 2pm. If you would like to come to the gates to show your support as I complete the handover, please do so.

    I have been humbled, touched and overwhelmed at the number of people who have taken the trouble to sign my petition and send messages of support and comfort. We are more grateful than you will ever know.

    Please share this update. If you know anyone else who would like to support me, and would like their signature to count, please could they sign before 1pm tomorrow.

    I promise to keep you updated.

    Thank you from the bottom of my heart.

    Marie McCourt

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    I wish her the best of luck, in a country with such lenient sentences, this is a fab idea. Signed and shared

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    Signed. Cannot share as don't have SM. Best wishes to Mrs McCourt and all other persons affected by this.

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    Marie McCourt takes her petition to number 10 Downing Street

    Conor McGinn, MP for St Helens North, today accompanied Marie McCourt and her family to a meeting with the Victims Minister and then to Downing Street, where he helped deliver a petition to the Prime Minister calling on him to introduce Helen's Law, which has been signed by over 320,000 people.

    http://www.itv.com/news/granada/2016...owning-street/

    http://www.wigantoday.net/news/local...-law-1-7716597

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    While I agree with this petition in principle, and have signed it, I do foresee problems with the proposed measures in practice.

    There is nothing, for instance, to stop a criminal claiming the body was disposed of in a way that cannot be tested or provide comfort to the victim's family. For example in a landfill site (digging up 10+ years of rubbish is not practical or indeed really possible), or dumped in a large river or out at sea, or destroyed in a furnace.

    Nor is there anything to prevent the criminal claiming to have buried the body in a specific location, such as a forest or area of moorland, and then blaming the police for not being able to find it (even if the body was never there in the first place).

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    Quote Originally Posted by MelmothTheLost View Post
    While I agree with this petition in principle, and have signed it, I do foresee problems with the proposed measures in practice.

    There is nothing, for instance, to stop a criminal claiming the body was disposed of in a way that cannot be tested or provide comfort to the victim's family. For example in a landfill site (digging up 10+ years of rubbish is not practical or indeed really possible), or dumped in a large river or out at sea, or destroyed in a furnace.

    Nor is there anything to prevent the criminal claiming to have buried the body in a specific location, such as a forest or area of moorland, and then blaming the police for not being able to find it (even if the body was never there in the first place).
    That's what occurred to me.

    Put it this way; Simms was sentenced to life and sixteen in 1989. If Simms had admitted his guilt and said that he did indeed dump the body in the Manchester Ship Canal, he'd have been out in 2005. But as it is, he has always maintained his innocence, and thus obviously can't say where the body is. So he's already had his sentence extended by eleven years, or about 70%, by being stubborn about it.

    Quote Originally Posted by dalsglen View Post
    I wish her the best of luck, in a country with such lenient sentences, this is a fab idea. Signed and shared
    Compared to where exactly? That chap Zalkalns got eight years for murder in Latvia, where the maximum seems to be fifteen. I know that the maximum sentence for murder in Norway is 21 years, because that's what Breivik got for killing 77 people. Life and 16 seems rather a stiff sentence in that sort of company, particularly when you end up actually serving 27 years.



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