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    Madeleine74 is online now Of course it's my opinion; who else's would it be?
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    Hi Limaes!

    I guess you're having winter now? Hope you're staying warm. Here it's HOT.

    I've seen various opinions on what Zellner is trying to do with this brief. One opinion is Zellner's trying to align the case to the release of MaM2 and endeavored to create a story for the series, and that she doesn't really believe RH had anything to do with TH's murder. More cynical types have opined maybe she's trying to dump her guilty client and back away since she knows he did it.

    She didn't even have the C14 test run, which she made a big deal about late summer/early fall last year.

    Her burden was high, as she has reminded people, she has to prove him innocent. She was trying to go for exoneration, not a new trial. This huge document doesn't prove SA innocent, and while she's attempted to name "the killer," there's no evidence linking him to the murder. Since Teresa herself didn't know she'd be at ASY until later morning of Oct 31, RH couldn't have known her schedule. The brief contains lots of conjecture and speculation, but so far no evidence to implicate him.

    I don't think she met her stated goal with this brief and I don't think it's even close. It wouldn't surprise me if she saw the writing on the wall months ago.

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    Yes, winter time here atm. Time for weekends spent in front of the TV. Wonder if there is any good Netflix documentaries coming up? 😊

    My longtime feelings is that this is all about putting together a second series. That brief only appeases the deeply entrenched supporters, not a court imo.

    As far as the timing, I think her filing just 2 days before CrimeCon is too big of a coincidence to ignore. She filed on the Wednesday, by Friday (when Fassbender & Kratz debuted at CrimeCon) the public had copies of the brief and all talk was on that.

    What a shame the filmakers weren't interested in making their own appearance at the convention. Perhaps they didn't want to answer any tough questions from the public...their viewers?

    From what I have read so far, SA supporters have to ignore the evidence in their queen's brief if they wish to keep pushing the same theories they have been since day one.

    Her brief is a gift to guilters. All the things we keep saying e.g Loof alerted from Avery's trailer, not the deer camp one etc have been validated by her. 😂

    How funny that one of her witnesses is SA? LOL He has changed his story AGAIN!

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    LOL @ good Netflix documentaries. I can highly recommend "House of Cards." And that title works well for the nearly 1,300 page brief. ;-D

    Did you see the tweet she put out about a month ago in which she said (paraphrasing) she couldn't care less about the supporters and they have no clue about the complexity of the case... She rejected the theories sent to her and actually insulted SA's followers. She was happy to take all their donations though (so much for the self-funded claim).

    Not only did Zellner fail to prove the things she would prove, the brief is filled with "ifs," "could haves" and speculation up the wazoo. She swore the testing would prove her client innocent, no maybes. It did not. It actually removed major pieces of the conspiracy that were proposed by followers. I've seen people who were waiting patiently for that tsunami she promised and when they finally got it and read what it contained they realized it was a whole lot of nothing. I've seen at least a dozen people say they're "disappointed" in the brief's contents, and they're "confused" by what they had been promised.

    She admitted LE did not plant things despite insisting it was so. She's now tried to pass it all off to RH.

    Remember how it was claimed TH's key was rubbed on SA's slippers? The brief says absolutely not.
    Remember how it was claimed TH's phone pings proved she was in or near Whitlaw? Never mentioned in the brief.

    This was her best effort, her one shot. As with her prior motion, there are many mistakes being listed and detailed elsewhere, dozens of discrepancies and even some outright mistruths.

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    I haven't got through it all yet but there is so many things that make no sense at all.

    Remember her August filing? She erroneously claimed that Radant could not have seen the fire behind the garage because it was not viewable from where he was even though his statement (that she included) clearly says it was the BURN BARREL. Now, she is using his affidavit and saying he never told investigators he seen the burn pit fire and that it was the BURN BARREL. lol Ohh myy ggod! The only person that claimed he said the burn pit...was HER! This is some bat s**t crazy stuff.

    I've read a bit about the "groin swab" caper. Lol She claims the expert says the sample with his DNA was never used to swab the hood latch but the expert actually discusses the quantity of hood latch debris on this same swab. If it wasn't used on the hood latch, then how the heck did he get hood latch debris on his groin?

    I was expecting a dodgy brief, but this has exceeded my expectations by a country mile.

    And yes, I did hear about her insulting the supporters, which is strange because wasn't she asking for their "tips" not long before?

    For the Halbach's sake I hope this goes no further so they do not have to relive it again. If it does, I will enjoy seeing SA testifying and finally answering to his many lies and changing stories.

    All JMO 😊


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    Zellner Offers $10,000 If You Pass Her Steven Avery Proof Of Guilt Challenge

    https://patch.com/illinois/joliet/ze...uilt-challenge

    Pedant here, please share your sources. TIA

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    Here is the direct link to the challenge

    https://static1.squarespace.com/stat...tions+7-27.pdf

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    Quote Originally Posted by missy1974 View Post
    here is the direct link to the challenge

    https://static1.squarespace.com/stat...tions+7-27.pdf
    limaes?, ranch?, madeleine?
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    'Making a Murderer' Lawyer Admits He Was Ineffective In Steven Avery Trial, New Attorney Says Teresa Halbach 'Was Victim of Sexual Violence'


    In a signed affidavit filed to a Manitowoc County court Thursday, and obtained by Newsweek, Strang said he was ineffective because he did not consider using a blood splatter expert and a ballistics expert to disprove some of the state’s theories tying Avery to Halbach’s death.
    I brought up the idea that Steven Avery should have used ineffective assistance of counsel early in his appeal. I was told by members here that it wasn't possible because of Strickland. I was also told that they did a good job with the resourses that they had.

    I'm now vinticated with the words of Strang admitting that they did a poor job. Personaly I feel they missed more than what Strang admitted to. JMO


    http://www.newsweek.com/making-murde...ial-new-714579

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    Quote Originally Posted by RANCH View Post
    'Making a Murderer' Lawyer Admits He Was Ineffective In Steven Avery Trial, New Attorney Says Teresa Halbach 'Was Victim of Sexual Violence'




    I brought up the idea that Steven Avery should have used ineffective assistance of counsel early in his appeal. I was told by members here that it wasn't possible because of Strickland. I was also told that they did a good job with the resourses that they had.

    I'm now vinticated with the words of Strang admitting that they did a poor job. Personaly I feel they missed more than what Strang admitted to. JMO


    http://www.newsweek.com/making-murde...ial-new-714579
    Congratulations on your being vindicated! I think many of us are finding that this is the case as Zellner moves forward
    JMO of course

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    Quote Originally Posted by RANCH View Post
    'Making a Murderer' Lawyer Admits He Was Ineffective In Steven Avery Trial, New Attorney Says Teresa Halbach 'Was Victim of Sexual Violence'




    I brought up the idea that Steven Avery should have used ineffective assistance of counsel early in his appeal. I was told by members here that it wasn't possible because of Strickland. I was also told that they did a good job with the resourses that they had.

    I'm now vinticated with the words of Strang admitting that they did a poor job. Personaly I feel they missed more than what Strang admitted to. JMO


    http://www.newsweek.com/making-murde...ial-new-714579

    When in the appeal did you bring up that idea. Before Zellner? Ineffective assistance of council has always been part of her argument.
    Are you starting to lean to the other side of the fence RANCH?
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    As my husband and I sit here and discuss how pathetic this entire process has been, how LONG it's taken for the obvious ( in our minds ) truth to start to unravel, we reflect back on the end of MAM..
    FWIW, Buting and Strang said time and again, even stating at the end of the series how SAD it was for Steve that he had run out of resources. I can't say for sure what they meant by saying/discussing that but I will say this..
    I think it's absolutely SICK that Steve Avery allocated hundreds of thousands of dollars to a defense that pretty much got him no where! At the time, most of the world thought he had it pretty darn good with Buting and Strang, ( myself included ) which looking back, and knowing what we know now.. pathetic!!
    As my husband and I sit here and discuss how pathetic this entire process has been, we can't help but to think about how in America, I don't know if it's the Wisconsin Judicial System or if it's being an Avery, but in America, hundreds of thousands of dollars might not get you very far should you be convicted of a crime.
    My husband and I were always under the impression " money talks " until THIS case.
    Even if Zellner frees SA... And I'm confident she will, I've never been more AWARE than I am NOW, of just how flawed, of how broken & biased our system truly is.
    Obviously JMO

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