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    Quote Originally Posted by AbbeyR View Post
    She was in her own apartment building, but CR got in a fight with some guys and then carried Lauren out of the building. He could have taken her to her apartment -- That's what the guys were trying to get him to do. Or he could have left her there in her building at least, instead of dragging her back to 5N.

    Though LE didn't reveal the identity of the second call it was to someone they were with earlier in the night. I think it's highly unlikely that DM was an acquaintance of any of these students.
    Not so sure about that. Do you have a source to confirm? Seems to me like they were blocked from entering her apartment and that was what the fight was about. JW's buddies weren't gonna let LS take a guy home with her....
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    Quote Originally Posted by AbbeyR View Post
    I don't think akh's analysis would be complete without pointing to the actions of the last people seen with Lauren to explain why they drew the most attention as POI. Given all that has come out, I think there's a good chance that DM is responsible for her disappearance, but the person who dragged her home semi-conscious and the people who sent her off stumbling into the night barefoot without a phone no doubt bear some of the responsibility even if that's the case. I can't help but wonder, had the guys at 5N been more open and cooperative, would the investigation have led elsewhere? When you refuse to answer questions because you are obviously covering for something, no doubt people are going to focus on getting those answers and figuring out what it is that is being covered up that would outweigh finding a missing girl.

    I also remember the time someone claiming to be JR posted here about believing Lauren had been 'abducted' (Deleted because it wasn't clear whether it was JR or someone trolling) and the statement from JR, more than a year or so after her disappearance that he thought he saw someone lurking in the shadows. It seems more sinister now, doesn't it....
    totally agree
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    Quote Originally Posted by CoolJ View Post
    Not so sure about that. Do you have a source to confirm? Seems to me like they were blocked from entering her apartment and that was what the fight was about. JW's buddies weren't gonna let LS take a guy home with her....
    Yes, check out the Lohud article with the interview with the private investigators, or if it's offline, go back - it was cited a million times here. Speculation may have been otherwise, but according to the people who were actually there and the people who viewed the tapes, the guys were by the elevator. They thought CR was acting aggressively and inappropriately. They said something like "Dude, you'd better take her home". He told them to F*** off, and they got in a fight. CR then took Lauren back in the elevator, she fell in the lobby, and he picked her up and dragged her out of the building.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CoolJ View Post
    The question for me is: Was LS blocked from entering her apartment that night?

    CR tried to take her home and couldn't for whatever reason. So he then took her home to his place and he says he passed out. So MB who doesn't really know her takes her to JR's. JR says he tried to get her to stay. If they are all telling the truth then I go back to her trying to gain entry to her own apartment.... that is when things went wrong. Why couldn't she get into her own apartment?

    But then we have the mysterious phone call. One placed to DR and another placed to an unknown individual. Why have LE not released who that individual is?

    So my next question is: Could DM have been acquainted with any of the PsOI?
    yes, I think DM knew the bar manager witness, who may very well also be a POI.

    In reference to above post by Paul, it's true, the POIs may not have actually killed Lauren, but their actions were criminal, IMO. She and her escort were assaulted outside of her apt. Why would Lauren enter her apt building so late at night if she didn't want in her apartment? Any other suggestion is ludicrous! It then follows, if she had been allowed in, she would be alive today. IMO, even more than drugs, these people involved are lying about the way that their actions must have caused their friend to be snatched out of thin air.

    Getting pretty sick of the oh the're young, don't know any better, how unfortunate for everyone, etc. for example the recent case of some frat boys going into a frenzy during hazing, fuelled by booze and drugs, and they beat a kid with baseball bats and threw him down the stairs, killing him. IMO, the same type of frenzied hysteria took over Lauren's boyfriend's friends.

    It is sad and unfortunate for everyone when people throw their lives away but even when and if someone else is convicted of this, it doesn't take away the perfidy of these young adults.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ixchel13 View Post
    Getting pretty sick of the oh the're young, don't know any better, how unfortunate for everyone, etc. for example the recent case of some frat boys going into a frenzy during hazing, fuelled by booze and drugs, and they beat a kid with baseball bats and threw him down the stairs, killing him. IMO, the same type of frenzied hysteria took over Lauren's boyfriend's friends.
    I do not think it is the same thing at all. I get that many here have suspected the kids have had something to do with her murder since 2011 but trying to blame them - and comparing them to actual murderers who brutally beat a kid with baseball bats - years later when it seems increasingly likely that Lauren was killed by DM, seems like trying to make yourself feel better at the expense of others.

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    Whenever this forum pops up in New Posts, I come to check it out. I followed it closely the first year plus.

    As I recall, CR and Lauren did make it to the floor of her apartment. However, she didn't have her key and her roommate was not in.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AbbeyR View Post
    Yes, check out the Lohud article with the interview with the private investigators, or if it's offline, go back - it was cited a million times here. Speculation may have been otherwise, but according to the people who were actually there and the people who viewed the tapes, the guys were by the elevator. They thought CR was acting aggressively and inappropriately. They said something like "Dude, you'd better take her home". He told them to F*** off, and they got in a fight. CR then took Lauren back in the elevator, she fell in the lobby, and he picked her up and dragged her out of the building.
    Yes I am well aware of the interview with the PI's. That doesn't make it clear cut for me. Why did they go to her apartment only to turn around and leave?
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    Quote Originally Posted by 1&2&3 View Post
    Whenever this forum pops up in New Posts, I come to check it out. I followed it closely the first year plus.

    As I recall, CR and Lauren did make it to the floor of her apartment. However, she didn't have her key and her roommate was not in.
    And it was during her attempt to get her roommate from the apartment on the same floor, that CR was punched for .. whatever reason..and he was told to leave. Lauren left with him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mahouston69 View Post
    And it was during her attempt to get her roommate from the apartment on the same floor, that CR was punched for .. whatever reason..and he was told to leave. Lauren left with him.

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    I don't recall anything about a missing key or roommate unavailable. I don't think that is common knowledge or a normal part of the narrative because I think I'd remember that.

    Is there a link to that anywhere?

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    Quote Originally Posted by akh View Post
    I don't recall anything about a missing key or roommate unavailable. I don't think that is common knowledge or a normal part of the narrative because I think I'd remember that.

    Is there a link to that anywhere?
    It is clearly stated in the beginning of this case. You might try search to find it. I don't have the link after this long, however, remember exactly the scenario.


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    Quote Originally Posted by PaulR View Post
    I do not think it is the same thing at all. I get that many here have suspected the kids have had something to do with her murder since 2011 but trying to blame them - and comparing them to actual murderers who brutally beat a kid with baseball bats - years later when it seems increasingly likely that Lauren was killed by DM, seems like trying to make yourself feel better at the expense of others.
    It also bears mentioning that 5N 'did' cooperate to some degree. Much of what is on record wouldn't even exist if they hadn't. JR even had a meeting with the parents (albeit with attorneys present).

    The story of their lack of cooperation has more to do with refusing to be questioned multiple times and eventually 'lawyering up', as well as not admitting to a direct role in her disappearance. But if they were truly innocent then what else could they say?

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    Quote Originally Posted by akh View Post
    I don't recall anything about a missing key or roommate unavailable. I don't think that is common knowledge or a normal part of the narrative because I think I'd remember that.

    Is there a link to that anywhere?
    I'll see if I can find it but I vaguely remember it being related to the surveillance video of her floor

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    What baffles me the most in this case is that with all the surveillance video, there wasn't a clear description of a vehicle leaving the area (except the infamous white truck). In Hannah's case, didn't they catch several images of DM's Kia leaving town? I wonder what he was driving earlier - people must know this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by akh View Post
    I don't recall anything about a missing key or roommate unavailable. I don't think that is common knowledge or a normal part of the narrative because I think I'd remember that.

    Is there a link to that anywhere?
    I agree. I think maybe other parts of the story have been mixed in here.

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    I believe they arrived at her floor, CR gets into it with ZO in the hallway near the elevator. CR gets hit, and that's why they left. I don't remember anything about them falling in the lobby, I thought they then headed up the alley and she fell once in the alley and once when they were sitting on the steps. Also, her keys were eventually found further up the alley towards 5N. I presume she had them at Smallwood but CR gets his bell rung before they even get to her room.

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