Bosma Murder Trial 02.17.16 - Day 10

Sillybilly · Jan 31, 2016

This is the Bosma murder trial discussion thread.

Please post your comments here, and at all times, keep in mind Websleuths TOS, so affectionately referred to as The Rules.

There will be ZERO TOLERANCE for snarky or disrespectful posts and/or subtle digs at other members. Mods will not be pm'ing you, you will find your post has disappeared, or that you can no longer post.

There is to be NO name calling or name variations, not even of the accused.

There is to be no BICKERING between members. A difference of opinion is NOT a TOS violation. Some will think one or both of the accused are guilty, some will think one or both are not guilty, and some will be on the fence. All of that is okay and should NOT BE ATTACKED. If you disagree, that's fine, move past the post. If a post is offensive, alert it and let the Mods review it. If you respond to the post, both the offensive post AND yours will be removed and may result in other consequences.

If you have any questions, PM a Mod and we will be happy to assist you. The main Mods/Admin for this trial will be Bessie, Coldpizza, and sillybilly.

:tyou:

Sillybilly · Jan 31, 2016

Reminders for reference as we have respectful discussion in each of the daily trial discussion threads:

Abuse of the WS Alert feature can have consequences including timeout or worse. Such abuse includes, but is not limited to:

Overuse of the alert system

Repeatedly alerting on the same poster

Demanding a specific outcome

Alerting on the same post more than once

Once you have alerted on a post, please move on without discussing it, and don't question the decisions of our Administrators, Moderators or Owners, and don't expect personalized responses with explanations about a particular decision.

Note: Only testimony that is published through MSM reporting (articles and tweets) is allowed. Keep discussion focused on testimony as it becomes public knowledge and remember to link up to MSM reporting of same.

Any testimony that might remain under Publication Ban, and any courtroom discussion that takes place when the jury is not present, is strictly off-limits.

The principle of innocent until proven guilty is for the court room it is not required that Websleuths members adhere to that principle. Members are allowed to discuss, speculate, theorize, and judge according to opinions they develop from following the specifics of the case.

bessie · Feb 2, 2016

**If you would like to post tweets while court is in session, please read this thread first:
[h=1]Bosma Murder Trial Twitter Roll Call[/h]
Reporters to follow on Twitter:

Jacques Gallant, Toronto Star
Adam Carter, CBC Hamilton - ArianeEmory
Mark Carcasole, Global Toronto - Matou
Molly Hayes, The Hamilton Spectator
Peter Ackman, CTV National News
Nicole Martin, CHCH TV
Susan Clairmont, The Hamilton Spectator
Shannon Martin, CBC Toronto News

Also, check this site for real time updates.

http://www.cbc.ca/hamilton/news/

Coldpizza · Feb 16, 2016

link:rose:

Coldpizza · Feb 17, 2016

Tim Bosma trial: testimony from officers who found the incinerator
By Adam Carter, CBC News Posted: Feb 17, 2016

Forty members of Waterloo Regional Police took part in the Tim Bosma homicide investigation.

Testimony continues Wednesday in the trial of the two men accused of murder in the death of Hamilton's Tim Bosma. The jury is expected to hear from police officers who found an incinerator called "The Eliminator" on Dellen Millard's farm not far from Waterloo, Ont.

Follow the CBC's live blog here starting at 10 a.m.

ArianeEmory · Feb 17, 2016

Feb 17 2016 9:35 AM
We're about 25 minutes away from the beginning of today's testimony. Three weeks in, there's still a line to get into the courtroom. I'll be giving updates throughout the day.
Adam Carter

ArianeEmory · Feb 17, 2016

Feb 17 2016 9:51 AM
Bosma's father Hank just got a tearful hug from a well wisher in the courtroom. The Bosma family has three rows of court seats full most days with supporters.
Adam Carter

ArianeEmory · Feb 17, 2016

Feb 17 2016 9:57 AM
Smich now being led into the courtroom. Wearing a big grey sweater, as he is most days.
Adam Carter

(Guys, I am only doing Adam Carter's liveblog. If I miss copying his name into the info, it's still him.)

ArianeEmory · Feb 17, 2016

Feb 17 2016 10:04 AM
Millard now entering the courtroom. We're running a few minutes behind this morning - not sure why.

ArianeEmory · Feb 17, 2016

Feb 17 2016 10:09 AM
Justice Goodman now in the room. No jury yet - there's a legal argument to happen first.

(Updates may be sparse for a bit, sounds like.)

Feb 17 2016 10:09 AM
I can't talk about anything happening in the room until the jury is here.

deugirtni · Feb 17, 2016

From the Crown's opening statement:

"The opinion of the expert was that inside the vault area was cremated adult human remains of one individual."

The police were still concerned about the well-being of Tim Bosma and his whereabouts. Police looked inside the Eliminator and it appeared to have been cleaned out, but in looking straight down into the main vault area, the Forensic Identification Officer saw what looked like bones. She did not know if they were human or animal. This officer took the bone(s) out of the Eliminator, photographed them and contacted a Forensic Anthropologist at the University of Toronto who police knew from previous cases. As it was a missing person investigation, police wanted an immediate opinion on whether the bones were human.

The preliminary opinion given by the Forensic Anthropologist was they were human bones and the following morning – a Sunday – this expert attended the police station, examined the bones and confirmed her initial opinion that they were human bones.

In the following days, this Forensic Anthropologist and a police Forensic Identification Officer attended the farm and removed, examined and analyzed the remains in the Eliminator.

The opinion of the expert was that inside the vault area was cremated adult human remains of one individual.

58 bone fragments, 2 virtually complete bones and one tooth were recovered from inside the vault. 17 of these bone fragments and 2 complete bones were definitely human – the
tooth appeared human. The remaining 41 bone fragments exhibited characteristics of human bone.

It was her opinion that person was likely male and under 40 years old.

Gibson67 · Feb 17, 2016

In the following days, this Forensic Anthropologist and a police Forensic Identification Officer attended the farm and removed, examined and analyzed the remains in the Eliminator

so would those bones no longer contain DNA? Can you still not get DNA from cremations?

ArianeEmory · Feb 17, 2016

Feb 17 2016 10:24 AM
Could be a little bit of time before we get the jury in this morning.
Adam Carter

(I would imagine the defense is pretty desperate to create roadblocks when it comes to the incinerator.)

ArianeEmory · Feb 17, 2016

Feb 17 2016 10:28 AM
While we're waiting, I'll post a few more exhibits that were released yesterday.
Adam Carter

(Incoming I guess, but may be stuff we saw on abro's stuff last night. Will repost anyway for those who didn't catch the end of yesterday's thread, assuming he puts them up in a way I can link to.)

ArianeEmory · Feb 17, 2016

Here's the console of Bosma's truck. The orange outlines are places in which blood was found.

ArianeEmory · Feb 17, 2016

Here's shot of the front of Bosma's truck. Notice the front seats are gone and the flooring has been torn up.

ArianeEmory · Feb 17, 2016

Here are the charred seats that were found in the trailer next to Bosma's truck.

ArianeEmory · Feb 17, 2016

Here's how Bosma's truck looked in the trailer. There was almost no room on either side.

ArianeEmory · Feb 17, 2016

Feb 17 2016 10:34 AM
Again, the courtroom isn't being shown these exhibits right now - the jury isn't in the room right now while a legal argument is taking place. I can't legally tell you what's being talked about right now. In the meantime, I'll post some more exhibits that were first released yesterday.
Adam Carter

ArianeEmory · Feb 17, 2016

Here is the receipt for the incinerator that was found in Millard's SUV.

(You'll have to follow the link on this one, it's embedded in something)

https://s3.amazonaws.com/files.scri...df102.pdf?wmode=opaque#viewer.action=download

Bosma Murder Trial 02.17.16 - Day 10

Administrator

Administrator

Verified Insider

Retired WS Staff

Retired WS Staff

Well-Known Member

Well-Known Member

Well-Known Member

Well-Known Member

Well-Known Member

Well-Known Member

New Member

Well-Known Member

Well-Known Member

Well-Known Member

Well-Known Member

Well-Known Member

Well-Known Member

Well-Known Member

Well-Known Member

DNASolves

Online statistics

Forum statistics