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    Quote Originally Posted by Wendy101 View Post
    ? Is there more info on BA's brother?
    Bobby? we don't have his statements to police, all we have is his testimony I think. And other references to him from others that were interviewed.

    On a side note.... it's BD ;-) Brendan, and his brothers, are Dassey's. Most of us know who you are talking about though ;-)

    ETA: link to statements we do have available:
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    I agree!

    OMG...my hubby too

    And SA wouldn't LOCK UP the vehicle, after HIDING it ALONG THE OUTER EDGE OF HIS PROPERTY,
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jaiddie View Post
    I have one more to add that is the strongest thing to lead me to believe that ALL the evidence was planted. I also do not believe that anyone other than LE planted anything. That does not mean I think LE killed her (though, that is not completely off the table for me), but that something happened to her and LE discovered her at a time they REALLY needed to take SA down.

    12) SA would not have committed a murder when everything in his life was looking up to the degree it was. He was in the middle of a $36 million civil suit. He probably wouldn't have gotten that much, but he would have gotten a pretty penny still. He was being paraded around by influential people, such as gov's and such, they were naming a bill after him. He had dinners planned for him (such as the Innocence Project dinner he was scheduled to go to, the one that LE mocked he wouldn't be going to while they were searching his house).

    There is waaaaaaay too much wrong with these cases on a whole, for it to be coincidence. You do not deviate from so many protocol's as they did without it all being a stinky pile of fish. Their mistake was that they felt safe enough to do all this without being able to look into the future and see just how thoroughly everything about these cases would be dissected and examined by so many capable people. Their complete arrogance is what set them up for this fall they are now feeling and I believe Zellner will be bringing this whole house of cards down in the near future. IMHO. I, for one, cannot wait to see how this all plays out, as my husband thinks I am a complete nutjob right now, because this is ALL I talk about. I am looking forward to the day I can go back to being just my normal self and start focusing more on my everyday life. He is looking forward to that day too, LOL.

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    Don't forget, SA locked up the RAV when he was done hiding it.

    According to what the evidence shows and Kratz/LE would like us to believe.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sustained View Post
    I'm in the "evidence planted" thread b/c of the following (all IMO) :

    1) SA is not so brazen he would've shot TH in his own garage right next door to the Dasseys
    2) SA would not have burned TH in a supposed bonfire right next to the Dasseys
    3) SA would not be as stupid as to leave TH's RAV4 on Avery Salvage property knowing it would soon be found
    4) SA seemed happy with JS at the time and had no motive to kill TH
    5) SA would not have left the license plates in a vehicle by the front road to his property
    6) SA would not have cleaned the garage thoroughly and left obvious evidence in the RAV4 for days
    7) SA would not have shot TH with the gun above his own bed
    8) SA would not have left the RAV4 key in his bedroom knowing it would be searched
    9) SA would not have burned TH's cellphone, purse, etc in a burn barrel next to his house and left the remnants
    10) SA would not let BD sit and rot in prison if he himself was guilty
    11) SA gave various interviews to police and the press and at no time appeared nervous or let anything slip

    Carry on ... waiting on Zellner's next move.

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    He's in my top 3
    Quote Originally Posted by angelainwi View Post
    I think RH did it

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    I think ST did it.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Wendy101 View Post
    ? Is there more info on BA's brother?
    Sorry Wendy ... who's BA ?

    DEFENDANT IS A LIAR + DEFENDANT'S KID GOES MISSING + DEFENDANT REPORTS KID MISSING AFTER 31 DAYS + KID IS FOUND DEAD = DEFENDANT KILLED KID

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    LOL dexter.... so if RH and ST are in your top 3... who is the other?

    I'm still unsure of who I think did it.... someone else on that property? RH? ST? Martinez?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sustained View Post
    Sorry Wendy ... who's BA ?
    BA = Brendan Dassey. Just probably simple confusion getting their names straight.



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    https://www.doj.state.wi.us/news-rel...stigative-work

    "The Wisconsin Association of Homicide Investigator's presented the Meritorious Service Award to Thomas Fassbender, Mark Wiegert of the Calumet County Sheriff's Department and the Wisconsin State Patrol at their annual conference. The award is given to a group of members or a team of investigators from a department or from assisting departments who demonstrate the highest degree of professionalism in their respective positions during an investigation or during a multijurisdictional investigation. Fassbender and Wiegert were co-lead investigators on the case. The Wisconsin State Patrol's Technical Reconstruction Unit was recognized for their work involving the forensics mapping of the scene."

    Are you kidding me??!!!

    I am confused on what forensics mapping of the scene is being congratulated, as there was NO forensics mapping of the scene done that I could see. Am I wrong, in that view? Isn't placing grids, and taking photos and measurements of cremains in situ a part of forensics mapping??? And they got awards for the crap they pulled in these cases!!!

    Edit: for clarification.
    Last edited by Jaiddie; 02-19-2016 at 03:07 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jaiddie View Post
    I have one more to add that is the strongest thing to lead me to believe that ALL the evidence was planted. I also do not believe that anyone other than LE planted anything. That does not mean I think LE killed her (though, that is not completely off the table for me), but that something happened to her and LE discovered her at a time they REALLY needed to take SA down.

    12) SA would not have committed a murder when everything in his life was looking up to the degree it was. He was in the middle of a $36 million civil suit. He probably wouldn't have gotten that much, but he would have gotten a pretty penny still. He was being paraded around by influential people, such as gov's and such, they were naming a bill after him. He had dinners planned for him (such as the Innocence Project dinner he was scheduled to go to, the one that LE mocked he wouldn't be going to while they were searching his house).

    There is waaaaaaay too much wrong with these cases on a whole, for it to be coincidence. You do not deviate from so many protocol's as they did without it all being a stinky pile of fish. Their mistake was that they felt safe enough to do all this without being able to look into the future and see just how thoroughly everything about these cases would be dissected and examined by so many capable people. Their complete arrogance is what set them up for this fall they are now feeling and I believe Zellner will be bringing this whole house of cards down in the near future. IMHO. I, for one, cannot wait to see how this all plays out, as my husband thinks I am a complete nutjob right now, because this is ALL I talk about. I am looking forward to the day I can go back to being just my normal self and start focusing more on my everyday life. He is looking forward to that day too, LOL.
    BBM

    I keep reading everywhere how SA wouldn't have gotten all of the $36 million dollars ....yeah...that is understood. Of course, he wouldn't have gotten the entire amount. Not even close, imo. However, with that said at the end of the day he would have gotten, like you stated, "a pretty penny" of that amount. It is my opinion, that SA could have gotten a small fraction of that amount and it would have been life changing for him. Life changing in many ways.

    I too believe SA to be innocent. I was on the fence for quite a long time. Though I've always thought he more than deserves a new trial. Knowing what I know today I would never vote guilty ..not even close. I drew that conclusion not by watching various programs in the media and not by watching MAM but through carefully reading the transcripts from his trial.

    I can't even get started on all the hinky, stinky that I believe went on with LE during their "investigation." Even though I've had interest in this case for a long time - even to this day - I get angry when I think about it. It infuriates me that so many people in LE (and others) got away with so much in this "investigation"....the very people that are supposed to serve and protect....it actually makes me sick.

    I don't know SA or his family in least. So, I have no dog in this fight. And I have zero hesitation to vote guilty and send a murdering criminal away and off the streets....but I have to hear and see reasonable evidence that the person that is being accused is, in fact, the person responsible. I've followed many, many cases through the years and I've never seen a case in any shape, way or form like this. If SA really did murder TH - based on what was presented at his trial - there is absolutely no way I could have voted guilty.

    (You and me both ...when it comes to my husband - he keeps asking me "did you get a job some how, some way or something to work on this because you're very devoted.." lol ....Nope. Shoot. I wish. Then, I could really throw myself into it.

    I was thrilled when Zellner came on board. I'm hopeful for SA. I'm also hopeful for BD (who, of course, I think is innocent.)

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    I'm here because I lean more towards innocence than guilt.

    I don't think it's farfetched to think LE planted evidence. I can think of a few cases in my city alone that had police misconduct in it (including planting evidence, coerced confessions, etc)

    What I think happened was TH was killed by someone else (not sure who but RH and ST would be my guesses, I don't think she was killed by LE) and the police instantly thought SA did it and they had some circumstantial evidence (they talked on the phone, she saw him that day at his house) but didn't have enough for an arrest so planted things like the key and blood.

    Personally I am discounting the bullet fragment because it was contaminated by the DNA specialist and do not think it's reliable.

    If it happened the way BD said it did, there would be so much evidence in the bedroom. DNA from everyone (BD, SA and TH) in the form of blood, hair, sweat, bodily fluids and there would also be rope fibres, but there was nothing except the key. Especially if they slit her throat in the bedroom and cut her hair (I think that's what BD said they did?) I don't believe SA can clean up a bedroom so well that he got every strand of hair and all the rope fibres out of the room yet didn't crush the car.

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    I think he's innocent. I have to agree with his new attorney, guilty men don't get excited over forensic testing that may prove their innocence. I would think a guilty man would actually shun further forensic testing since that it would probably achieve the opposite.

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    It's pretty obvious i feel like he's 90% innocent. This is almost like an old western. The Averys, Dasseys and Jandas vs The Petersens Hermanns and Kocoureks. The law run the town and the other guys are the outlaws so to speak. Now SA doesn't have a great reputation, given his past history he's not a "great" guy but the question here wasn't if he's a guilty or innocent of being a good guy. Just if he's guilty or not guilty of the murder of TH.
    That being said I'm almost certain he was framed/evidence planted. Now you can plant evidence to ensure a conviction either way guilty or not guilty, sure.
    So in the other thread there was a link to the complaint filed by Petersen about the cat burning incident. It freaked
    me out so bad I had this "Penelope Garcia" kind of moment where I had to step back from posting. Not because
    of the cat (which is sad and disturbing and all) but how it was eerily similar to the disposing of TH in the bonfire.
    I can almost see the wheels turning in their minds of LE how the narrative of this all going down is going to mirror the cat burning. In Feb 06 SA hires DS and GB. Two top notch lawyers. The repercussions of this was the lead investigators singling out a Dassey or a Janda to feel guilty and "confess" to being a party to the bonfire. Such as that happened in the cat burning incident in the 80s. Then from there they have to get the rape (because they were right about SA all along) and the shooting (because the experts will testify to to skull defects) in play. Now you have a best selling story for the DA (Special Prosecutor) to tell the media....I mean the jury. The county will believe it because of the whole cat incident thing because it's not hard to believe animal cruelty can lead to human cruelty. It's this part that actually gives me pause about SA But on the whole I think that LE had lot more to gain by framing him then for him to gain by murdering someone. So in short I come somewhere near 60% RH, 10 % ST, BoD, 10% SA, 10% Martinez and 10% LE actually did it. And the people on top called the shots of how to frame.

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    I'm also thinking re: possible planting of evidence.

    Maybe the LE didn't want to be made a fool of again (after the rape case) after they suspected him so they planted the evidence to "ensure" there would be enough for a conviction? (or enough that someone would have some doubts about his innocence) Just a thought.

    I agree that a guilty man would not want more forensic evidence dug up because it would definitely link them. Although SA shouldn't have to worry because he did such a good job getting every piece of hair and rope fibres out of the room.

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    I believe someone in LE did it.
    The discovery of additional matching DNA in the JonBenet Ramsey murder case is important information that raises more questions in the search for JonBenet's killer. The BPD concurs with the Boulder District Attorney's Office that this is a significant finding. The PD has continued to look diligently for the source of the foreign DNA, and to date, we have compared DNA samples taken from more than 200 people. Finding the source of the DNA is key to helping us determine who killed JonBenet

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