1598 users online (376 members and 1222 guests)  


The Killing Season - Websleuths

Websleuths News


Page 1 of 2 1 2 LastLast
Results 1 to 15 of 21
  1. #1
    Join Date
    Jan 2013
    Location
    South Florida
    Posts
    845

    NJ - Belleville, WhtMale 5UMNJ, 16-22, matchbook from Cape May, Jun'79

    I could've sworn this man had a thread already, but I couldn't find anything when I searched by the DoeNet and NamUs case numbers.

    5UMNJ / UP#1526

    DEMOGRAPHICS
    Age: 16 - 22 years old
    Race: Caucasian
    Sex: Male
    Height: 5'6 - 5'8 (56 - 58 inches)
    Weight: 150 lbs
    Postmortem Interval: Likely died in winter 1978

    CIRCUMSTANCES
    Date: June 2, 1979
    Location: Belleville, Quinton Township, Salem County, NJ
    Circumstances: Found in a shallow grave off a dirt road near Belleville, NJ

    PHYSICAL
    Hair: Medium-brown hair, 4 - 6 inches in length
    Dental notes: Tooth #20 was extracted at least two years prior to death. Teeth #2 and #15 rotated. #17 and #32 tissue impacted.

    CLOTHING/ACCESSORIES
    White Madewell painter's pants; heavy-knit Michelangelo sweater w/ dark blue or black sleeves and white body; 'Cotton Poppy' Indian-style shirt; T-shirt; dark blue Lee jacket w/ gold metal "R" on right, and a gold-colored cross on the left breast pocket, size S; black Pro Ked sneakers.
    Yellow metal spiral twist chain, grey metal chain w/ decorative horn ornament. Pack of Marlboro cigarettes w/ the words Meth, Weed, Joint and Pot written on the box. Matchbook w/ "Tolz Realty Co." written in gold lettering.

    IDENTIFIERS
    DNA: Samples submitted - Tests complete. Mitochondrial DNA only.
    Dentals: Available and entered
    Fingerprints: Available and Entered

  2. #2
    Join Date
    Jan 2013
    Location
    South Florida
    Posts
    845
    Roger Stenholt looks like a great possible match.

    1. Age (23) is within one year.
    2. Race (Caucasian) matches.
    3. Low end of height range (5í11) is within 3 inches of the UID. Bodies tend to shrink after death as the muscles dehydrate, which could account for the discrepancy.
    4. Weight (165 - 180 lb) is within 15 pounds of the UID.
    5. Hair seems consistent; both had brown hair and the hair length seems consistent
    6. Timing seems consistent. Nobody knows exactly when Stenholt disappeared. NamUs officially puts it at 1 Jan 1977, but thereís indication that he was last seen in 1978. This would fit the postmortem interval, where the UID is believed to have died in fall or winter 1978.
    7. Although NamUs says heís missing from Arizona, he was actually last seen in New York. I canít find which city, but New York borders New Jersey, so the distance canít be too far off.
    8. Rogerís teeth look consistent, from my untrained eye.
    9. The photos of him at 23 donít look too similar to the UID, but I freaked when I compared the reconstruction to the photo of Stenkholt at 15. It looks EXACTLY like him. Down to the face shape and even the hair.

    Check it out:


  3. #3
    Join Date
    Nov 2013
    Location
    Yorkshire
    Posts
    4,684
    Hi, I don't often follow UID cases but this one caught my eye (seems preferable to all the murdered babies in my subs list...).

    Roger's Namus shows they have his DNA, fingerprints and dentals. Wouldn't this UID have been run through the system and hit a match?

    Might be a daft question, not sure how it works.

    UK CASES INDEX, PLEASE ADD ANY NEW CASES HERE:
    http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sho...cussion*/page7

  4. #4
    Join Date
    Jan 2013
    Location
    South Florida
    Posts
    845
    Quote Originally Posted by CoverMeCagney View Post
    Hi, I don't often follow UID cases but this one caught my eye (seems preferable to all the murdered babies in my subs list...).

    Roger's Namus shows they have his DNA, fingerprints and dentals. Wouldn't this UID have been run through the system and hit a match?

    Might be a daft question, not sure how it works.
    No, it's a good question. All matches in NamUs are performed manually. It doesn't work like CODIS, which will produce a match automatically. NamUs will give the investigators a list of possible matches whose stats line up with the UID, but the investigator has order a manual comparison.

    Because the date and especially the location listed are so far off, Stenholt probably wouldn't be high on the list of potential matches returned by NamUs.

  5. #5
    Join Date
    Nov 2013
    Location
    Yorkshire
    Posts
    4,684
    Quote Originally Posted by Migmuu View Post
    No, it's a good question. All matches in NamUs are performed manually. It doesn't work like CODIS, which will produce a match automatically. NamUs will give the investigators a list of possible matches whose stats line up with the UID, but the investigator has order a manual comparison.

    Because the date and especially the location listed are so far off, Stenholt probably wouldn't be high on the list of potential matches returned by NamUs.
    Brilliant, thanks for explaining! So do you have to submit that possibility to the police or NamUs? There are definitely facial similarities.

  6. #6
    Join Date
    Jan 2013
    Location
    South Florida
    Posts
    845
    I just submitted him to Donna Fontana (the case manager). She sounded pretty busy but said she'll check it out this afternoon. Fingers crossed.

  7. #7
    Join Date
    Dec 2009
    Location
    Northeast USA
    Posts
    3,538
    Any time I've submitted possible matches to Donna Fontana, she usually acknowledges the submission and that is about it. I'm not being critical, just telling you my experience.

    I've never had a match so I do not know if she would get back to you if this was a match.

  8. #8
    Join Date
    Jan 2013
    Location
    South Florida
    Posts
    845
    Quote Originally Posted by webrocket View Post
    Any time I've submitted possible matches to Donna Fontana, she usually acknowledges the submission and that is about it. I'm not being critical, just telling you my experience.

    I've never had a match so I do not know if she would get back to you if this was a match.
    I've submitted two other PMs to her before this one. One of them, it took a few days and I saw the name had been added to the rule-out list on NamUs. The other, I never heard anything again.

    I'll follow up on Monday. I actually forgot about that second PM and now I'm curious to see if anything happened with it.

    ETA: Here.
    Now that I think about it, I think I submitted it to the Gloucester County ME's office and not Donna Fontana. When I call her on Monday, I'll bring this UID up too. Besides all but one of the stats being consistent, both the UID and missing man had on a similar-colored overcoat (one described as 'rust' and the other 'maroon') and running shoes.
    Last edited by Migmuu; 02-27-2016 at 12:40 AM.

  9. #9
    Join Date
    Nov 2015
    Location
    Howell, NJ
    Posts
    676
    New missing person added to namus from NJ. Went missing in Jan. 1979. Stats are a bit off, but Lawrence Goodman looks fairly similar to the reconstruction. https://www.findthemissing.org/en/cases/35570/8

  10. #10
    Join Date
    Nov 2015
    Location
    Howell, NJ
    Posts
    676
    Nicolas Zizzamia has been ruled out per namus.

    I am going to submit Lawrence to namus.


  11. #11
    Join Date
    Aug 2014
    Posts
    172
    Good call, Kaylara. I see he has a plaid shirt in one of his namus pics.

    Sent from my Nexus 6P using Tapatalk

  12. #12
    Join Date
    Feb 2016
    Posts
    1,372
    Quote Originally Posted by KaylaraOwl View Post
    Nicolas Zizzamia has been ruled out per namus.
    I am going to submit Lawrence to namus.
    I saw the same similarities in the shirts, so I went poking around.
    According to the FB page set up for Lawrence, his brothers are in the process of submitting DNA. I don't think they've even collected it yet, from the sounds of it.
    All you need is love and. . . .(fill in the blank)

  13. #13
    Join Date
    Nov 2015
    Location
    Howell, NJ
    Posts
    676
    Can you share the link? I can't find it.

  14. #14
    Join Date
    Feb 2016
    Posts
    1,372
    Quote Originally Posted by KaylaraOwl View Post
    Can you share the link? I can't find it.
    It wasn't easy to find, lol; I found it on a fluke.
    https://www.facebook.com/larrygoodmanmissing/
    It looks like they are waiting to receive the kits and that the two older brothers will giving the samples.
    Is it against the rules to reach out to family who have set up FB pages for their missing loved ones? If not, you could drop his brother a line if you wanted to.
    Last edited by Alleykins; 10-13-2016 at 07:21 PM. Reason: I can't type today
    All you need is love and. . . .(fill in the blank)

  15. #15
    Join Date
    Nov 2015
    Location
    Howell, NJ
    Posts
    676
    I thought we were allowed if the family member is actively searching and looking for help. I think I will ask in that group specifically if they want us looking at possible John Doe matches.

Page 1 of 2 1 2 LastLast


Similar Threads

  1. IL IL - Janet Tillman, 47, Belleville, 28 Oct 2007
    By hoppyfrog in forum 2000's Missing
    Replies: 5
    Last Post: 01-22-2012, 04:05 PM
  2. Replies: 9
    Last Post: 05-14-2011, 10:10 AM
  3. Found Safe IL - Roza Ahmad, 15, Belleville, 20 May 2008
    By Damon in forum Located! Information and Support
    Replies: 8
    Last Post: 05-23-2008, 02:36 PM
  4. Found Deceased IL - Chuck Mitchell, Belleville, 21 Aug 2005
    By WholeLottaRosie in forum Located Persons Discussion
    Replies: 5
    Last Post: 08-26-2005, 05:05 PM

Tags for this Thread