1127 users online (286 members and 841 guests)  


The Killing Season - Websleuths

Websleuths News


Page 1 of 4 1 2 3 ... LastLast
Results 1 to 15 of 59
  1. #1
    Join Date
    Jun 2011
    Location
    Colorado Springs CO (sorta close enough)
    Posts
    715

    UT - Top FLDS leaders arrested in Utah food-stamp fraud

    imo, jmo, imho and all that stuff

  2. #2
    Join Date
    Jul 2014
    Posts
    6,422
    Quote Originally Posted by Steft50 View Post
    Not surprised.

  3. #3
    Join Date
    Jun 2012
    Location
    Northeast USofA
    Posts
    3,214
    Not surprised either.

    Though I have to say, I had the fortune of breaking down in Colorado City, AZ in the early 90s on my way back from a weekend date at the Grand Canyon. My boyfriend and I pushed our car up to one of the houses right off of Hwy 389 and while the men tended to the car I struck up a conversation with a little girl swinging on the porch. She told me she had 38 brothers and sisters. I thought she was telling tall tales until I realized where I was!

    We were treated very well by a son (one of 46) of one of the elders who owned an auto shop in the center of town. It was a Sunday so everything was shut down and it was at the height of religious services but he helped us all day long (and fed us, too). I will never forget the hospitality we were shown and, that evening, he even gave us a tow to St. George. All on his "day of rest", bless his heart.

    We received many stares (like we had green skin) and drew a few crowds, too. I felt like I had been dropped onto another planet, too, with the way everyone dressed and their social customs.

    Every time the Jeffs come into the news I think of my experience and try to believe that I wasn't dreaming.

  4. #4
    Join Date
    Apr 2009
    Location
    Long Beach, California
    Posts
    5,229
    You weren't dreaming, many of them are good, good people. Some of the finest people I have ever had the pleasure to know.

  5. #5
    Join Date
    Feb 2015
    Posts
    1,503

    Warren Jeffs Brothers Charged with Massive Food Stamp Fraud

    http://www.dispatch.com/content/stor...amp-fraud.html

    Regardless how many wives one has--rippiing off the federal government is gonna get you in some trouble.

  6. #6
    Join Date
    Dec 2011
    Location
    Coffeelandia
    Posts
    5,508
    Oh maaaaan.... I had missed these freaks so much. Hours of entertainment await!!!
    Don't take yourself so seriously... nobody else does.

  7. #7
    Join Date
    Dec 2014
    Posts
    2,899
    From the above link:

    They said they ultimately learned that residents were scanning their food stamp debit cards at the stores but getting no items in return, allowing leaders of the polygamous sect to funnel the money to front companies. The proceeds paid for a John Deere loader, a Ford truck and $17,000 in paper products, federal prosecutors said Tuesday.

  8. #8
    Join Date
    Feb 2005
    Posts
    1,678
    Quote Originally Posted by seattlechiquita View Post
    Oh maaaaan.... I had missed these freaks so much. Hours of entertainment await!!!
    Yep, IMO these guys are the worst of the worst. They use religion to dupe really good people. I'm sure everyone will remember a few years back when the FLDS ranch in Eldorado Texas was raided. A relative of mine was friends with some mainstream LDS members in Texas & one of the mainstream members happened to let something unintentionally slip one day. Even though the mainstream members do not practice polygamy they were raising money to assist their fundamentalist brothers in their time of need. Some of the mainstream members apparently support polygamy by saying they believe in it, but they also believe "that the time for it just hasn't come yet". We live in a strange world.
    Any of my comments are IMO,JMO, or MOO.

  9. #9
    Join Date
    Dec 2011
    Location
    Coffeelandia
    Posts
    5,508
    Quote Originally Posted by faw720 View Post
    Yep, IMO these guys are the worst of the worst. They use religion to dupe really good people. I'm sure everyone will remember a few years back when the FLDS ranch in Eldorado Texas was raided. A relative of mine was friends with some mainstream LDS members in Texas & one of the mainstream members happened to let something unintentionally slip one day. Even though the mainstream members do not practice polygamy they were raising money to assist their fundamentalist brothers in their time of need. Some of the mainstream members apparently support polygamy by saying they believe in it, but they also believe "that the time for it just hasn't come yet". We live in a strange world.
    Yep, these men are the scum of the earth. They embezzle the government they say they hate and not obey, they treat women and children as objects, and have no shame about it.
    Don't take yourself so seriously... nobody else does.

  10. #10
    Join Date
    Oct 2012
    Location
    On the sunny shores of I-65
    Posts
    1,767
    Quick question: Why don't the Westboro Baptists protest these losers?
    Six-year-old Shannon Sherrill disappeared from her front yard in Thorntown, Indiana in October, 1986. Someone knows where she is......

    http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sho...annon+sherrill


  11. #11
    Join Date
    Feb 2005
    Posts
    1,678
    Good question.
    Any of my comments are IMO,JMO, or MOO.

  12. #12
    U2forever's Avatar
    U2forever is offline Outside, is America. Outside, is America. America...
    Join Date
    Oct 2011
    Location
    Aikenfeet, South Carolina
    Posts
    1,025
    Why am I not surprised?



  13. #13
    Join Date
    Jun 2004
    Location
    SF Bay Area, CA
    Posts
    23,970

    Cool

    Sweet!
    This is the year to locate Mark Dribin http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sho...ht=Mark+Dribin NamUs MP#876 and Ilene Misheloff http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sho...lene+Misheloff NamUs MP#6410 and bring them home to their families!

    Parents watch your children. Free-range parenting leads to more child victims.

    Cruelty to humans begins with cruelty to animals.

    I believe in closure, not forgiveness. I'm also unapologetically judgemental.

    JeSuisJuif
    JeSuisCharlie


  14. #14
    Join Date
    Aug 2011
    Posts
    1,777
    Soooo... it's fine for them to live according to their 'beliefs' ; but they expect everyone else who works to pay for their lifestyles ? I think not.
    Live how you want-- but don't fleece the gov't. you despise; and don't mistreat people in your compound(s); and allow women who want to leave, to do so without having to flee in secret --- oh, too late for that. (cue major sarcasm)

    Crazy to such extremes it's hard to even fathom.
    My own opinion , but there are others who agree--from what I've read about this Jeff's sect.

  15. #15
    Join Date
    Nov 2010
    Location
    Up North
    Posts
    5,319

    Smile

    Very good, in depth article about the current fraud/ money laundering situation:

    http://www.sltrib.com/news/3576091-1...ead-not-guilty

    A motion filed by prosecutors seeking to detain Lyle Jeffs, Wayman, Seth Jeffs — brother to Lyle and Warren Jeffs — and Nephi Allred cites an "elaborate" system for moving and hiding members of the group to avoid detection by law enforcement, which includes apartments and houses in the U.S., western Canada, Mexico and South America. The system was originally developed to protect Warren Jeffs from prosecution, according to the motion.

    The motion also requests "strict conditions" for the other indicted members' release.

    "If they got bail, they'll definitely run," said LeRoy Jeffs, who left the FLDS community two years ago. "That's a given. They'll run just like my dad ran. Everything's a big secret."
    The potential penalty for the conspiracy count is five years in prison. The money laundering count carries a potential penalty of 20 years in prison.
    Members were told to divert their food stamp benefits to the church by purchasing food from church-owned businesses like the Meadowayne Dairy Store and Vermillion Cliffs Produce and then bring those items to the FLDS Storehouse for "donation," according to the indictment.

    "These leaders also provided instruction on how to avoid suspicion and detection by the government," the indictment alleges.

    FLDS leaders also told members to transfer their SNAP benefits to the church-owned stores without receiving any food products, according to the indictment.

    On one occasion, Wayman is accused of taking an Electronic Benefit Transfer, or EBT, card — which operates similar to a debit card and is linked to a SNAP account — from a qualifying person and giving it to an unauthorized person to buy food and goods.

    Prosecutors also allege that the proceeds from the SNAP fraud financed ineligible purchases, such as paper products, a tractor and a truck.

    "Because the funds for food are diverted to other purposes, hundreds of people — especially those disfavored by the elites — lack sufficient food," according to a U.S. attorney's office motion to detain four of the principal indicted members, pending trial.

    Last year, 728 households received food stamps in either Colorado City, Ariz., or Hildale, Utah, according to officials in each state. And the combined benefit reached about $7.2 million.

    Colorado City had about twice as many SNAP recipients as Hildale, 500 to 228, and it was worth twice as much, $4.8 million to $2.4 million.
    I think these charges are going to stick. The feds appear to have done their homework.

Page 1 of 4 1 2 3 ... LastLast


Similar Threads

  1. Caught On Camera: Food Stamp Fraud
    By CarmelEyesD in forum Up to the Minute
    Replies: 2
    Last Post: 05-02-2012, 10:27 PM
  2. UT - 14 Arrested For Child Porn In Utah
    By Vegas Bride in forum Crimes-Spotlight on Children
    Replies: 3
    Last Post: 02-05-2010, 04:00 AM
  3. FLDS Winston Blackmore & Jimmy Oler Arrested 1-7-09
    By InLightAndTruth in forum FLDS Raids and Related Items
    Replies: 0
    Last Post: 01-24-2009, 01:56 PM