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    Let's talk about the cat ...

    As I've previously stated, it takes a certain kind of person to douse a cat in gas and oil, and toss it on a fire. And that sort of person is, for the most part, not a nice person. So, rather than focusing upon that, I want to focus upon what was revealed in the following report. Which, thanks to Jaiddie, caught my eye. So, I had to go find it. It's on the steven avery document site, of course.

    In the youtube video, the commenter was pointing out inconsistencies that he noticed in Ken Kratz recent interview... which were many.

    However, I want to use this thread to focus specifically upon the cat incident.

    That said, here's the screen cap of the case:


    Please carefully read the above. I, personally, have a very strong opinion, now that I've actually had the opportunity to read what is in the court record as opposed to the two versions (Avery and Kratz). However, before commenting, I am quite interested in hearing other's take, and seeing if they see what I see. And no, am not trying to be tease. Just want to see if others see it before I post what I'm seeing...

    Hope that makes sense and thanks in advance!



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    I'm not sure what you are "seeing" shadowraiths. When this was first released, the only things that stood out to me was.... #1 Peterson was involved #2 it's similar to TH, or what they wanted to be believed... burned in the bonfire.

    The only other thing I found interesting was.... Peter Dassey was there.

    will be interesting to see what you are "seeing" I re-read it twice... thinking I was missing something LOL

    ETA: I guess I also wonder why Jerry Yanda "reported" it to the dept.... basically tattled on himself lol who does that?

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    I wondered who reported the cat incident!

    Avery and Peterson go way back then.

    lol Missy, apparently Yanda haha.

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    also interesting to note..... I checked the court records. Jerry L. Yanda was not charged for this, although he was a party to the crime according to the report.... and well, according to himself, cuz he tattled on himself LOL geesh, was this a set up too? LOL

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    More chlorine needed in the gene pool around 'dem parts. lol.

    I actually feel mean saying that, but jesus what a mess. That's one of the biggest reasons I don't think SA did it- he just doesn't have the smarts to have made it look like he was framed and to me, I think it looks like someone framed him.
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    It makes me think he was guilty of killing her. Anyone who could douse their pet cat in gasoline and throw them in the fire---they are capable of anything.

    He never denied doing this, as far as I know.
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    I don't want to be dismissive of the cat incident... because I think that animal abuse can be a sign of some serious mental issues, and some of these people later do become violent criminals.

    That being said... I have also seen people that really do see cats as a nuisance... and even rodent like, they don't see them as pets. It could be that I'm from an area that we have lots of farms/farmers. I also work at a livestock auction place... I see farmers all the time... and I have a bunch of cats there (I call them my herd haha). The farmers that come in... and the majority of the workers there (who for the most part come from a rural or farming backgrounds)... don't see them as cute little furry creatures, for the most part, they see them as a nuisance (which just irritates me). I have named all the cats and kitties.... and they keep mice out of my kitchen, so the workers don't go near the cats now... but from what I have heard, it's not always been that way and in the past they had been quite mean to them. They don't dare do it with me around now because I have made it quite clear that I will report them (cuz I'm a Biotch like that LOL) I guess my point is.... I don't think all the workers where I work are killers, or are going to be killers. At least I hope not.

    I think what SA and his buddy did was awful. I don't think because it happened it means he was going to be a killer. I don't see that his buddy Jerry turned into a killer.... at least he has not self reported to Peterson that he has ... yet ;-)

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    I think I know what you are referring to Shadowraths. It shows that it was recorded with the Manitowoc County Clerk on...
    December 5, 2005. That would be after SA was arrested for TH's murder. However, if you look at the bottom of the page it states it was recorded with the Manitowoc County Clerk on November 23, 1982.

    I also noticed Vogel was the prosecutor. Wilda was the storage room clerk. Ah...Gotcha moment? Barb's former ex-husband(s) were involved as well as Ken Peterson as well as a Lt. James Meidl. Looks like 2 former ex-husbands of Barbs were responsible for getting themselves off the line as well as getting SA put in prison. Then again, ST could be seen as embellishing his story as he went along. I see a pattern.

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    Not sure what you're seeing shadowraiths - but interested to hear about it!

    Quite some history there linking key players in TH's case, but for me there's also an interesting dynamic being revealed between the participants.
    Seems like Dassey and Yanda had no problem reporting on SA's actions after the event, but neither thought it was a good idea to stop him / talk him down while it was happening.
    It's not as if it all happened so quickly that they didn't have time. SA "suggested burning a cat", they started the fire, went to get the cat and then poured gas on it.

    More questions than answers from me on this one :
    Were they too afraid/intimidated by him at the time to say 'no' or 'maybe this isn't such a good idea'?
    Was it all a bit of 'fun' at the time and SA was a convenient scapegoat to take the blame after it had happened?
    Was there some other motive for egging SA on and letting him drop himself into a conviction?
    And finally, what impact did that incident have on future relationships between the families?
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    Horrible on every level. Sadistic, cruel, evil.

    Animal cruelty should be a felony, with long prison sentences.

    No excuses.


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    Quote Originally Posted by katydid23 View Post
    It makes me think he was guilty of killing her. Anyone who could douse their pet cat in gasoline and throw them in the fire---they are capable of anything.

    He never denied doing this, as far as I know.
    I couldn't get past the cat incident. I watched the first documentary, and about 10 minutes in they talk about it. I stopped watching it.

    As a vet tech and animal lover, I couldn't help but not like the guy after that. I'm sorry, but I'm really sensitive when it comes to animal/child abuse.

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    When I first saw your post title I was going to come on here and say that I am really sick and tired of talking about the cat, who died 34 years ago. But after reading your post, I am intrigued to hear what you see on there. Here are my observations:

    1.) The penalty for the cruelty to animals was a maximum sentence of 9 months and/or $10K. Seeing as SA had no money at the time, it would appear as though they pretty much threw the book at him, since he served 7 months, from my recollection.
    2.) I never realized that they actually sat and watched the cat burn to death. I've also read several different variations of the story, from SAs to Kratz's to the motion to enter it into evidence, etc...
    3.) They state that Peter Dassey is simply a concerned citizen with no ulterior motive, however, he was at some point SAs brother in law and then ended up marrying SAs ex wife
    4.) Who is this Yanda guy and was he married to Barb at some point? I know Barb's name was Janda at some point. Is it a typo or something?
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    I have a different take on this. My son's uncle (Dad's side who I'm no longer with so no reason to make excuses for him) threw gas on pregnant cow and lit it on fire when he was 20, 21 maybe. Cow and calf both survived. Anyway, he went to jail for that along with B&E of the local high school and vandalism. That was back in '96.

    He got out and cleaned up his act. He's married, has two children and runs his own farm/deer/wild animal sanctuary now. He raises deer, has taken in fawns that lost their mothers along with other animals that need taken care of that our local SPCA cannot take in. He has farm animals mostly but it's not uncommon for him to have ducks with broken wings or legs running around. My son jokes that when you pull into his uncle's driveway you feel like Evan Baxter because the animals flock to you. They do this because the guy who was convicted of animal cruelty loves and cares for them so well. Some wild animals can never go back to the wild since it would be too dangerous for them after so much human contact or injuries that would leave the animal helpless so he just keeps them. Three or four years ago the police found an animal hoarder... We are talking cats, dogs, a potbelly pig, lizards, turtles, birds, etc. Some animals the SPCA couldn't take in ended up with him.

    Point is, he did a terrible thing. He paid for his crimes and turned his life around. I guess he was lucky because he got that opportunity. We have no idea if Avery would have redeemed himself.

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    I hope there will be legislation in the future in each state to make the torture of animals a felony with serious consequences, not just a light prison sentence or a slap on the wrist. For animal lovers it's as bad as the torture of a child. Both are defenseless beings and hurting either is unconscionable.

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    Let's talk about the cat ...

    Quote Originally Posted by Madeleine74 View Post
    I hope there will be legislation in the future in each state to make the torture of animals a felony with serious consequences, not just a light prison sentence or a slap on the wrist. For animal lovers it's as bad as the torture of a child. Both are defenseless beings and hurting either is unconscionable.
    As much as I abhor the cruel treatment of animals I completely reject the idea that it could ever be equated with the cruelty to a child. Animals are not humans. And to try to give an animal the level of status as a human simply lessens the value of a human life. I think that 7 months in jail for a first time offense is pretty significant. I wouldn't call that a slap on the wrist by any measure.

    ETA killing an animal is not murder as much as some would love to have it be that but we eat animals. Also I've seen people get off far easier for cruelty to humans than SA did with the cat.

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