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    Bosma Murder Trial 03.07.16 - Day 20

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    **If you would like to post tweets while court is in session, please read this thread first:
    Bosma Murder Trial Twitter Roll Call

    Reporters to follow on Twitter:

    Jacques Gallant, Toronto Star
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    Molly Hayes, The Hamilton Spectator
    Peter Ackman, CTV National News
    Nicole Martin, CHCH TV
    Susan Clairmont, The Hamilton Spectator
    Shannon Martin, CBC Toronto News

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    Tim Bosma trial: More testimony from blood spatter expert
    CBC News Posted: Mar 07, 2016


    Tim Bosma was last seen on May 6, 2013, and was missing for more than a week before remains thought to be his were found on an Ayr, Ont., farm owned by Dellen Millard. ((Facebook))

    Jurors will hear more evidence Monday from a blood spatter expert who will discuss forensic evidence discovered during the investigation into the death of Hamilton's Tim Bosma.

    ​On Thursday, the lawyers representing the two men accused of killing Bosma spent most of the day arguing with each other in court, as the location of a key piece of evidence in the case — a bullet casing found in Bosma's truck — showed a sharp divide between them.

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    Last edited by Coldpizza; 03-07-2016 at 10:54 AM.

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    Lets hope its an interesting day in court.

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    Adam Carter ‏@AdamCarterCBC 44s44 seconds ago
    Court is now in session. Starting with some legal arguments this morning. No jury yet. #TimBosma #Bosma #HamOnt

    Lisa Hepfner ‏@HefCHCHNews 2m2 minutes ago
    Week 6 of #TimBosma murder trial about to begin & courtroom still full of media, spectators & #BosmaArmy

    Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 57s57 seconds ago
    We're hearing legal arguments in the courtroom right now with the jury absent. #Bosma

    molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 1m1 minute ago
    Starting off with some legal arguments this am before the jury is brought back. #Bosma
    Last edited by SnooperDuper; 03-07-2016 at 11:14 AM.

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    Adam Carter ‏@AdamCarterCBC 2m2 minutes ago
    The jury is now being recalled. Underway momentarily. #HamOnt #TimBosma

    Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 2m2 minutes ago
    Jury coming in. Sgt. Robert Jones, blood pattern expert from @WRPSToday, resumes his testimony. #Bosma

    molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 2m2 minutes ago
    Jury is back. Sgt. Robert Jones (blood spatter expert) is back on the stand. #Bosma

    Adam Carter ‏@AdamCarterCBC 2m2 minutes ago
    Sgt. Jones is back in the witness box. #HamOnt #TimBosma #Bosma

    molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 1m1 minute ago
    Jones now beginning his testimony about bloodstains found on the exterior of the #Bosma truck

    Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 24s24 seconds ago
    Now looking at blood in exterior of #Bosma truck. Lower rear passenger side quarter panel. #Bosma

    Adam Carter ‏@AdamCarterCBC 24s25 seconds ago
    Court now seeing blood stains on the lower rear passenger side quarter panel of the truck, near the rear wheel. #TimBosma #Bosma


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    Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 18s19 seconds ago
    Could get there from power washing off blood on truck, or spraying up from moving tires or from ground. #Bosma

    Lisa Hepfner ‏@HefCHCHNews 21s21 seconds ago
    Blood spatter expert now back on the stand. Photos of #Bosma truck on court screens. Blood had been washed off before a drive, he says.

    molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 5s5 seconds ago
    Looking at stains found on lower rear passenger side of the quarter panel. #Bosma

    Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 14s15 seconds ago
    "Many in this area?" asks Crown Tony Leitch. Jones agrees...also spatter on passengers' side step rail. Maybe from power washing.

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    Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 28s28 seconds ago
    Appears to be water marks on the chrome as well, he says.

    molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 12s12 seconds ago
    Says could have been sprayed there from power washer. Or could have been cast off from tires moving through. #Bosma

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    Adam Carter
    Mar 7 2016 9:08 AM
    Back at the courthouse this morning for the first day of the Tim Bosma trial this week. Follow along for updates.

    Mar 7 2016 9:54 AM
    Blood spatter expert Sgt. Robert Jones testified Thursday afternoon about bloodstains found during the investigation. He'll be back in the witness box this morning.

    Mar 7 2016 10:02 AM
    Court is now in session. Starting with some legal arguments this morning. No jury yet.

    Mar 7 2016 10:10 AM
    The jury is now being recalled. Underway momentarily.

    Mar 7 2016 10:11 AM
    Sgt. Jones is back in the witness box.

    Mar 7 2016 10:13 AM
    Court now seeing blood stains on the lower rear passenger side quarter panel of the truck, near the rear wheel.

    Mar 7 2016 10:14 AM
    Jones says it's possible that a hose sprayed blood onto this part of the truck. It's also possible, he says, that during a cleaning process blood and water got onto the tire, and then it spun off as the tire moved.

    Mar 7 2016 10:15 AM
    Jones has testified that one theory is there was an attempt to clean blood off with a hose, and it sprayed small droplets around.

    Mar 7 2016 10:16 AM
    Now seeing blood stains on the passenger's side step rail. He says there were "altered" and "spattered" blood stains on this area. An altered stain is one that sometimes one where cleaning was attempted.

    Mar 7 2016 10:17 AM
    Now seeing an "altered" blood stain on the passenger's side step rail.


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    Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 1m1 minute ago
    Closeup of blood on passenger side step rail. #Bosma

    molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 23s23 seconds ago
    Next seeing photos of the passenger side step rail -- here he points out 'altered' bloodstains. #Bosma

    Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont now
    Altered spatter, meaning mixed with other liquid. #Bosma

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    Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 59s59 seconds ago
    Could also have been left by a shoe, Jones says.

    molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 44s44 seconds ago
    Jones says these could have been caused by blood-covered shoe or again that same power wash spray scenario. #Bosma

    Colin Butler ‏@ColinButlerCBC 28s28 seconds ago
    Sgt Robert Jones of @WRPSToday continues his testimony about blood stain analysis at the #TimBosma trial this morning

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    Colin Butler ‏@ColinButlerCBC 13s13 seconds ago
    He tells the jury blood stains found on the pickup truck side step rail are diluted by water

    molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 42s42 seconds ago
    Now looking at drivers side step rail. Again, altered bloodstains. #Bosma

    Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 32s32 seconds ago
    Switching to drivers' side step rail. "An altered blood stain." Means something changed appearance of the stain. May be cleanup related.

    Colin Butler ‏@ColinButlerCBC 27s27 seconds ago
    But he says there's not enough information to say whether they are consistent with cleanup or someone stepping in blood diluted by water

    Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 11s12 seconds ago
    Water stains on chrome plus altered blood stain. #Bosma

    Colin Butler ‏@ColinButlerCBC 4s5 seconds ago
    Jury seeing close up photo of hard water stains along with diluted blood on step rail on #TimBosma pickup truck

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    Adam Carter
    Mar 7 2016 10:20 AM
    Jones says "it's possible" that a blood covered shoe could put the blood on the step rail. It's also possible that a power washer could have placed it there, he says.

    Mar 7 2016 10:20 AM
    "The spray can go in all directions," he says.

    Mar 7 2016 10:23 AM
    Now seeing blood stains on the driver side step rail. These are "altered" stains -- so something has changed the appearance of the stain. Jones says it could be consistent with cleanup.

    Mar 7 2016 10:24 AM
    There are also water stains on the chrome of the step rail.

    Mar 7 2016 10:26 AM
    Single stains in a given area make it difficult to discern a pattern, Jones says.

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    Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 52s53 seconds ago
    Driver's door, bottom. Blood stain circled in gold by Centre of Forensic Sciences. #Bosma

    Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 1m1 minute ago
    Passenger front door. Jones circled several blood spots in white (or @HaltonPolice did it at his request.) #Bosma

    Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 13s14 seconds ago
    Blood near door handle passenger side are consistent with fingers. #Bosma

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