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    Bosma Murder Trial 03.08.16 - Day 21

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    **If you would like to post tweets while court is in session, please read this thread first:
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    Jacques Gallant, Toronto Star
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    Peter Ackman, CTV National News
    Nicole Martin, CHCH TV
    Susan Clairmont, The Hamilton Spectator
    Shannon Martin, CBC Toronto News

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    Tim Bosma trial: gunshot residue expert returns to testify
    CBC News Posted: Mar 08, 2016



    Jurors in the Hamilton trial of two men accused of first-degree murder in the death of Tim Bosma will hear more evidence Tuesday from a gunshot residue expert.

    On Monday, a blood spatter expert told a Hamilton court that the evidence from a "bloodletting event" inside Tim Bosma's truck points to someone being shot while in the passenger seat of the truck.

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    Adam Carter ‏@AdamCarterCBC 2m2 minutes ago
    Justice Goodman now in the courtroom. Jury being recalled. #HamOnt #TimBosma #Bosma

    Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 43s43 seconds ago
    Jury being brought in. Robert Gerard, gunshot residue expert, back on the stand. #Bosma

    Adam Carter ‏@AdamCarterCBC 25s25 seconds ago
    Dr. Gerard is now back in the witness box. The juror who had a medical issue yesterday is back in the courtroom. #TimBosma #Bosma #HamOnt

    Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 14s14 seconds ago
    Talking about toolbox Gerard examined for GSR. #Bosma


    ** doing all tweets for now but if you want to help just pick who you are following and have at it!

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    Adam Carter ‏@AdamCarterCBC 25s26 seconds ago
    The number of GSR particles doesn't tell you how many shots were fired, Gerard says. #TimBosma #Bosma #Hamont

    Lisa Hepfner ‏@HefCHCHNews 35s35 seconds ago
    #Bosma trial starting on time, with gunshot residue expert back on the stand. @CHCHNews

    Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 27s27 seconds ago
    Muzzle is large source of GSR. Also ejection port of semi-automatic weapon. Number of particles does not denote number of shots fired.

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    Colin Butler ‏@ColinButlerCBC 39s40 seconds ago
    Forensic chemist Robert Gerard continues his testimony this morning at the #TimBosma trial. #HamOnt

    molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 33s34 seconds ago
    Gerard personally examined a toolbox in the #Bosma case. Samples from the truck were sent to him. That happens about half the time he says.

    Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 47s47 seconds ago
    Sometimes vehicles brought into Centre of Forensic Sciences and he samples it himself. In this case, sent to him by police. #Bosma

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    Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 1m1 minute ago
    Drive-by shootings, he samples around window. A getaway car after shooting, he samples steering wheel, gear shift. Shots in car: ceiling.

    molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 43s44 seconds ago
    Gerard explaining where they'd do GSR tests in vehicles in diff scenarios (a drive by, a getaway car, a shooting inside). #Bosma

    Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 36s37 seconds ago
    Doesn't take samples from exterior of car because dirt/weather makes it difficult to find particles. Also other people have access to it.

    molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 35s36 seconds ago
    If they believe a gun was fired in the vehicle, he says they'd test roof liner and flat surfaces--as they did in this case. #Bosma

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    Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 1m1 minute ago
    Tool box: samples inside tray and inside box. In tray found 1 particle characteristic of GSR. None found in actual body of toolbox. #Bosma

    molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 48s49 seconds ago
    12 samples were taken. Usually they do 4, he says. But all were taken properly so he had no problem running them all. #Bosma

    Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 26s27 seconds ago
    Either shot fired and particle landed in tray or gun stored in tray or someone who fired gun touched tray. #Bosma

    Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 12s12 seconds ago
    Can't know age of particle. #Bosma

    Lisa Hepfner ‏@HefCHCHNews 11s11 seconds ago
    Expert found gunshot residue in the top tray of the yellow toolbox we saw pictures of in court #Bosma

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    Mar 8 2016 9:58 AM
    We should be underway this morning. Robert Gerard, a forensic scientist in the chemistry section of the Centre for Forensic Sciences, will be back in the witness box.

    Mar 8 2016 10:02 AM
    Justice Goodman now in the courtroom. Jury being recalled.

    Mar 8 2016 10:04 AM
    Dr. Gerard is now back in the witness box. The juror who had a medical issue yesterday is back in the courtroom.

    Mar 8 2016 10:05 AM
    Gerard talking about how gunshot residue (GSR) can come from the muzzle, where a casing is ejected, etc

    Mar 8 2016 10:06 AM
    The number of GSR particles doesn't tell you how many shots were fired, Gerard says.

    Mar 8 2016 10:06 AM
    He says the number of particles is a "random, chaotic event."

    Mar 8 2016 10:07 AM
    Gerard didn't examine the truck itself, police officers dabbed it for GSR and then sent the samples to the Centre for Forensic Sciences.

    Mar 8 2016 10:09 AM
    Gerard says the roof liner and flat surfaces were tested for GSR in the truck.

    Mar 8 2016 10:10 AM
    Samples weren't taken from the exterior, because of dirt and dust/the elements washing away particles.


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    Adam Carter ‏@AdamCarterCBC 7s7 seconds ago
    Jones says there was "one particle consistent with gunshot residue" in the tray portion of a toolbox that was seized. #TimBosma #Bosma

    molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 8s8 seconds ago
    Re: toolbox, he examined both the removable tray and the body of the toolbox.

    1 particle of GSR was found in tray. #Bosma

    Adam Carter ‏@AdamCarterCBC 40s41 seconds ago
    Gerard says that means a firearm was either discharged nearby, or discharged and then placed inside. #HamOnt #TimBosma #Bosma

    Lisa Hepfner ‏@HefCHCHNews 25s26 seconds ago
    That means the toolbox held a gun, or was near a gun when it fired, or someone touched it after firing a gun #Bosma

    molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 35s36 seconds ago
    Even one particle shows an association with a firearm, he says. #Bosma

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    The testimony of Igor Tumanenko was shown on Ann Brocklehurst website. He had two days of testimony.

    http://www.annrbrocklehurst.com/2016...sma-trial.html

    and

    http://www.annrbrocklehurst.com/2016...ial-day-5.html

    HTH

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    Mar 8 2016 10:11 AM
    Court now hearing about testing on the toolbox that was seized. He sampled the inside of the tray and the box itself.

    Mar 8 2016 10:12 AM
    He says there was "one particle consistent with gunshot residue" in the tray portion of the toolbox. He says that means a firearm was either discharged nearby, or discharged and then placed inside, or handled by someone with GSR on their hands. "It shows an association even at one particle."

    Mar 8 2016 10:13 AM
    "We can't tell how long a particle has been in the tray," Jones says.

    Mar 8 2016 10:16 AM
    Gerard now moving on to talk about the results taken from Bosma's truck.

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    Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 36s36 seconds ago
    Gerard explaining how CFS catalogs and tracks samples via bar codes.

    molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 25s26 seconds ago
    Either it had a gun in it, or was near a gun when fired, or someone with GSR on their hands touched it. #Bosma

    Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 14s15 seconds ago
    Toolbox goes from receiving office to chemistry department. Gerard has to use an iris scanner to get access to the toolbox. #Bosma

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    Quote Originally Posted by SnooperDuper View Post
    Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 36s36 seconds ago
    Gerard explaining how CFS catalogs and tracks samples via bar codes.

    molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 25s26 seconds ago
    Either it had a gun in it, or was near a gun when fired, or someone with GSR on their hands touched it. #Bosma

    Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 14s15 seconds ago
    Toolbox goes from receiving office to chemistry department. Gerard has to use an iris scanner to get access to the toolbox. #Bosma
    Yes but did he videotape himself doing it?

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