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    11 children taken from home over abuse allegations

    Abuse allegations prompted authorities to remove 11 children from a home in southwest Ohio less than two weeks after 11 special needs children were taken from their adoptive parents in northern Ohio over accusations that some of them slept in cages.

    Greene and Clark county officials took nine children from a Jamestown home on Sept. 22 after one of them told a teacher that Elizabeth A. Hazelbaker, 53, used tape and a leash to keep them in their seats during meals, The Plain Dealer reported Wednesday. Children's Services caseworkers from Butler County had taken two of the foster children three days earlier

    Hazelbaker had been caring for six adopted children and five foster children in her farmhouse since her husband died in 2003, authorities said. No charges have been filed against her.
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    Just when I think that I have seen the most depraved things a human can do to another human, somebody posts a new story...........

    Why is it that when a custodial parent fails to provide for a child it is called neglect and is a criminal matter. But when a non custodial parent fails to provide it is called failure to support and is a civil matter?


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    Quote Originally Posted by mysteriew
    Abuse allegations prompted authorities to remove 11 children from a home in southwest Ohio less than two weeks after 11 special needs children were taken from their adoptive parents in northern Ohio over accusations that some of them slept in cages.

    Greene and Clark county officials took nine children from a Jamestown home on Sept. 22 after one of them told a teacher that Elizabeth A. Hazelbaker, 53, used tape and a leash to keep them in their seats during meals, The Plain Dealer reported Wednesday. Children's Services caseworkers from Butler County had taken two of the foster children three days earlier

    Hazelbaker had been caring for six adopted children and five foster children in her farmhouse since her husband died in 2003, authorities said. No charges have been filed against her.
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    I thought this was another article about the caged kids....this is so sad. I think the states are going to have to come to the realization that no couple can care for that many children.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SewingDeb
    I thought this was another article about the caged kids....this is so sad. I think the states are going to have to come to the realization that no couple can care for that many children.
    If you're talking special needs children I would agree. But I would totally disagree if your simply talking about large families. Many people raise large families successfully.

    One of my dearest friends has 12 children all under age 10 ( through birth and adoption) and home schools them too! She and her husband are the most organized dedicated and loving people I know!

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    My mother was one of 7 kids and my dad one of 10 kids. They made it fine. The older kids learn to take more reponsibility and they all have to help out. It does take some incredibly organized parents though.
    I went to school with a girl who had 16 bros and sis's. Then her mom had another baby while we were in high school. Sharon always seemed fine and so did her bro and sis's from what I saw.

    I am wondering how much there is to this case or if it is just a knee jerk reaction because they got so much critisism for the number of kids placed with the Gravelle's that they were afraid to take a chance with this one. So far they don't seem to have a whole lot on her. And they haven't filed charges.
    Just when I think that I have seen the most depraved things a human can do to another human, somebody posts a new story...........

    Why is it that when a custodial parent fails to provide for a child it is called neglect and is a criminal matter. But when a non custodial parent fails to provide it is called failure to support and is a civil matter?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Linda7NJ
    If you're talking special needs children I would agree. But I would totally disagree if your simply talking about large families. Many people raise large families successfully.

    One of my dearest friends has 12 children all under age 10 ( through birth and adoption) and home schools them too! She and her husband are the most organized dedicated and loving people I know!
    I guess I should qualify it by saying most couples can't handle that many, because you are right that some can do a wonderful job.

    If the children were all normal, they could help care for the younger ones. When it comes to having to restrain children to care for them, it's obviously too much for the caretaker. In these adoption and foster care situtations, the families need to be closely monitored and given lots of help before the situation gets out of hand.

    Maybe these cases will cause some changes so other children won't have to be raised that way.

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    I have been thinking about this for sometime...the ideal place for these special children would be in a family setting with lots of one on one interaction. Finding the ideal home is realistically an improbability. People aren't exactly lining up to adopt healthy minority children or healthy older children from foster care. Finding a forever home for severely cognitively impaired children is a much more difficult task.

    The only other option is a residential facility ....where children will be placed in restraints on a regular basis and medicated into compliance.

    IMO these children CAN NOT WIN. Without loving homes and a support system for caregivers these kids are doomed to live what everyone should agree will be a miserable existence.

    Another thing to ponder....many states offer extremely generous subsidy agreements to adoptive parents of children with severe impairments, as much as $3000. a month per child in my state. Let's not forget the bonus money the state gets from the federal government each time they place a foster child for adoption.

    Wouldn't that money be better spent encouraging impoverished birth mothers to care for these children? Many are relinquished to the state because biological parents simply do not have the means, support or resources to care for them.

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    Wouldn't that money be better spent encouraging impoverished birth mothers to care for these children? Many are relinquished to the state because biological parents simply do not have the means, support or resources to care for them.

    Very good point, Linda. If the money were there, their own parents might be the most loving people to care for them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Linda7NJ
    Another thing to ponder....many states offer extremely generous subsidy agreements to adoptive parents of children with severe impairments, as much as $3000. a month per child in my state. Let's not forget the bonus money the state gets from the federal government each time they place a foster child for adoption.

    Wouldn't that money be better spent encouraging impoverished birth mothers to care for these children? Many are relinquished to the state because biological parents simply do not have the means, support or resources to care for them.
    That would work in some cases. But not in the cases where there is an abuseve father or boyfriend in the household. Or a sexually abusive parent where the mother just won't believe it happened. Or parents who are too drugged up to care. I am afraid there is no one answer.
    The governement started the welfare program so the parents could have financial assistance for the kids. What resulted many times was some multi generational families who thought it was something they were entitled to, and who made careers of it.
    Food supplements, day care, medical care, and family support and education should be provided- not only for low income, but for middle income also. But personally, I am against returning to the old wefare support system. Just my :2cents:
    I am actually not against the adoption subsidies. It takes a lot of money to provide the type of care the special care kids need. One adoptive parent usually needs to be at home, specialists, transportation, sometimes special equipment. But as long as those funds are being provided- there should be monitoring to make sure the kids are being properly cared for.
    Just when I think that I have seen the most depraved things a human can do to another human, somebody posts a new story...........

    Why is it that when a custodial parent fails to provide for a child it is called neglect and is a criminal matter. But when a non custodial parent fails to provide it is called failure to support and is a civil matter?


    "Just when the caterpillar thought its world was over, it became a butterfly" ~ Michelle Knight

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    I don't have a problem with adoption subsidy's in general.

    My problem lies with the instances I described , where that money could have prevented a child's placement in the state system.


    I have a problem when money is the financial motivator for both social workers as well as adoptive parents who "collect" high subsidy children for the money.
    I have a problem specifically with subsidy for adopting a child of mixed race, over the age of 5 etc...
    I have a problem with the number of moves within the foster care system many children experience and the huge increase of the number of children with the inability to bond to anyone.


    the return of orphanages is looking pretty darn good lately.

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    I don't agree with parents having so many children that they can't watch them by themselves. Older kids didn't ask to be one of 37 children, yet they're forced to take on the responsibility that the parents should have. Its just not right. They should be allowed to enjoy their childhood and not be babysitting their brothers and sisters every day of their lives. There is a 13-year gap between my oldest child and the next one. I've never made him babysit his brother.




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