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    Bosma Murder Trial 03.23.16 - Day 26

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    **If you would like to post tweets while court is in session, please read this thread first:
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    Jacques Gallant, Toronto Star
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    Peter Ackman, CTV National News
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    Susan Clairmont, The Hamilton Spectator
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    Tim Bosma trial: Dellen Millard's roommate to testify
    CBC News Posted: Mar 23, 2016


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    Jurors are expected to hear, Wednesday, from the roommate of Dellen Millard, one of the two men accused of murder in the death of Hamilton's Tim Bosma.

    ​On Tuesday jurors heard testimony from one of two women Crown prosecutors say were in a relationship with Millard around the time Bosma disappeared.

    Follow our live coverage starting at 10 a.m.

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    Court now in session, just waiting on the jury.
    by Adam Carter 10:03 AM

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    Back at the courthouse for the Tim Bosma trial today. Follow along for updates.
    by Adam Carter 9:15 AM

    To get you caught up, here's my story from yesterday:
    http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/hamilt...fies-1.3502729
    by Adam Carter 9:51 AM

    Court now in session, just waiting on the jury.
    by Adam Carter 10:03 AM

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    FYI/Reminder:

    Court closed Good Friday and Easter Monday. No jury tomorrow [Thursday], but legal arguments. https://t.co/zvRWJQ9iMX

    As per Susan Clairmont

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    Is the public allowed to also attend when there are just legal arguments without the jury scheduled for the day?

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    http://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/canada...AggFp5#image=4

    “I called my friend who is a lawyer and he said I didn’t have to speak with police,” Whidden said Tuesday.She declined to turn over her cellphone, she said, because she needed it for work as a real estate agent.

    “They put me in handcuffs and took my belongings,” she testified. “They made me bleed, actually.

    “They took my purse. They took my phone.”

    MOO is that if you being uncooperative in a missing person/possible murder case, the Police are not going to be so nice to you. If you do cooperate, I am sure the police would be much more accommodating. My belief is if she had let them view her phone willingly, they would have aided her in getting another phone to use while they had her current cell in their possession. Now fair enough, when you have no idea what this is all about and you refuse to talk to protect your lover, fair enough we all have that right and it is the law. But after time has passed and you are now privy to some more facts, namely a man who was murdered and taken from his family over a truck....it's time to have a sit down with the crown, even if you still believe in his innocence. You do the right thing for this family that has lost their loved one. The mutual hook up affair is over. Despicable behavior MOO

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    Jury now being recalled.
    by Adam Carter 10:23 AM

    The first witness is Robert Bochenek.
    by Adam Carter 10:25 AM

    He's 25, and is a plumber.
    by Adam Carter 10:26 AM

    He's a childhood friend of Andrew Michelski, who knows Millard.
    by Adam Carter 10:27 AM
    Last edited by Velma; 03-23-2016 at 10:27 AM.


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    At one point, he lived with Millard at 5 Maplegate Court in Toronto. He moved in in mid April of 2013.
    by Adam Carter 10:27 AM


    Did *everyone* live at Maplegate at some point or another??

    He says he moved out the following Saturday after Millard was arrested -- so he lived there for about a month.
    by Adam Carter 10:28 AM

    Michelski also lived there at that time.
    by Adam Carter 10:29 AM

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    Quote Originally Posted by dar107 View Post
    http://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/canada...AggFp5#image=4

    “I called my friend who is a lawyer and he said I didn’t have to speak with police,” Whidden said Tuesday.She declined to turn over her cellphone, she said, because she needed it for work as a real estate agent.

    “They put me in handcuffs and took my belongings,” she testified. “They made me bleed, actually.

    “They took my purse. They took my phone.”

    MOO is that if you being uncooperative in a missing person/possible murder case, the Police are not going to be so nice to you. If you do cooperate, I am sure the police would be much more accommodating. My belief is if she had let them view her phone willingly, they would have aided her in getting another phone to use while they had her current cell in their possession. Now fair enough, when you have no idea what this is all about and you refuse to talk to protect your lover, fair enough we all have that right and it is the law. But after time has passed and you are now privy to some more facts, namely a man who was murdered and taken from his family over a truck....it's time to have a sit down with the crown, even if you still believe in his innocence. You do the right thing for this family that has lost their loved one. The mutual hook up affair is over. Despicable behavior MOO
    I think you make some very good points. Granted we only get part of the testimony but our impressions of people are formulated pretty quickly. She doesn't come off as a professional to me. Not sure I can pinpoint exactly why I feel that way but her testimony seems to be less than professional, so to speak. The association with DM doesn't help either. All the people around him seem to be cut from a similar cloth so in my mind why would she be any different... MOO

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    He says he knew Millard before he moved in, but they didn't see each other too often -- maybe once or twice a month.
    by Adam Carter 10:29 AM

    They were living with Millard by paying the utilities.
    by Adam Carter 10:30 AM

    He didn't end up paying any portion of the rent.
    by Adam Carter 10:30 AM

    Bochenek says he knew Millard for about four years before he moved in.
    by Adam Carter 10:31 AM

    His bedroom was in the basement, Millard's was on the main floor.
    by Adam Carter 10:31 AM

    Bochenek says he put a lock on his door in the basement.
    by Adam Carter 10:31 AM
    Last edited by Velma; 03-23-2016 at 10:32 AM. Reason: Adding as we go

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    Wonder if DM was charging any of these many renters? Or does this guy just not like being alone?

    ETA: info added to the above post now lol
    Paid utilities.

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    He says he saw Millard drive a dark blue Yukon SUV and a red Dodge pickup.
    by Adam Carter 10:32 AM

    Bochenek says he sometimes saw Millard's girlfriend Christina Noudga at the house.
    by Adam Carter 10:33 AM

    He says he was out of the house most nights of the week playing sports. "You have the misfortune or otherwise of being a Toronto Maple Leafs fan?" Assistant Crown Brett Moodie asks. Big laugh in the courtroom (less so from this reporter as a long suffering Leafs fan).
    by Adam Carter 10:35 AM

    Bochenek responds yes, to that.
    by Adam Carter 10:35 AM
    Last edited by Velma; 03-23-2016 at 10:35 AM. Reason: Adding as we go

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