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  1. #46
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    I wish his neighbors could speak and let the Judge know all the antics he did to include the roof top incident, being in their yards, etc. What he did and does speaks volumes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MsJosie View Post
    I wish his neighbors could speak and let the Judge know all the antics he did to include the roof top incident, being in their yards, etc. What he did and does speaks volumes.
    There should be such a thing.

    IF he should get a bail reduction to $1m (ridiculous imo), 10% is needed to secure bond. $100,000 cash - BS home as collateral? Maybe MS has money stashed in offshore account?

    He couldn't use Jarvis home since it may be likely that the IRS is close to having a lien on it. Wonder if he made the required payment to prevent that? Doubt it.


    Lots of money for lawyer - I could see one performing pro bono with the idea of 40% of the insurance funds if he gets MS off. Lawyer taking a gamble for a big payday, some do.

    IF MS should be acquitted of murder, even on technicality, there are many other charges to ding-dong him with if certain entities desired. IRS, Federal government, State government, Civil Case wrongful death, etc.

    Watching tv last night, one murderer was indicted on the federal wire issue because he and his hired hand used the telephone to plan the murder. Yep.

    Those fools left so many breadcrumbs, that even if no witnesses had come forward, I believe all three would have been caught anyway and without too much time. The witnesses provided awesome information, so please don't misunderstand me - it's fabulous! Just saying that those juvenile communications between the dopes ...

    LE must have been getting face cramps from rolling their eyes (I'd be doing the happy dance if this wasn't a disgusting murder) every time something new and stupid was discovered.
    ...Detective Owens said the driver is not a suspect in the case...
    snippet from washingtontimes.com/news/2015/jul/20/suspect-in-dc-mansion-slayings-due-back-in-court

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    Quote Originally Posted by FelicityLemon View Post
    There should be such a thing.

    IF he should get a bail reduction to $1m (ridiculous imo), 10% is needed to secure bond. $100,000 cash - BS home as collateral? Maybe MS has money stashed in offshore account?

    He couldn't use Jarvis home since it may be likely that the IRS is close to having a lien on it. Wonder if he made the required payment to prevent that? Doubt it.


    Lots of money for lawyer - I could see one performing pro bono with the idea of 40% of the insurance funds if he gets MS off. Lawyer taking a gamble for a big payday, some do.

    IF MS should be acquitted of murder, even on technicality, there are many other charges to ding-dong him with if certain entities desired. IRS, Federal government, State government, Civil Case wrongful death, etc.

    Watching tv last night, one murderer was indicted on the federal wire issue because he and his hired hand used the telephone to plan the murder. Yep.

    Those fools left so many breadcrumbs, that even if no witnesses had come forward, I believe all three would have been caught anyway and without too much time. The witnesses provided awesome information, so please don't misunderstand me - it's fabulous! Just saying that those juvenile communications between the dopes ...

    LE must have been getting face cramps from rolling their eyes (I'd be doing the happy dance if this wasn't a disgusting murder) every time something new and stupid was discovered.
    I get the feeling that MS will get the money from his mom and her partner. He talked to both of them several times alone through a video call. A few calls to his mommy reassuring her that he is innocent and confirming that he will pay back the bond money if he is released with his hidden cash to his mom's partner. He slammed his own family before and he will continue to abuse and swindle them more. I don't think he stands a chance to have his bond reduced but if he did, DCF would still have custody regardless. They wont let him move in with his kids if BS was awarded custody. We haven't even scratched the surface yet but i'm sure there are many skeletons in that family's closet.

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    Nothing has changed since MS was incarcerated so why reduce it? It was determined he was a flight risk so they set it high. MS has now had time to confirm he will probably be incarcerated long and that CWW will be testifying. If anything the prosecutor should counter with a motion of request hearing to request increasing bond. Judge should see chance of MS grabbing 2 daughters and heading off-shore. Maybe BS and friend would even help him unknowingly. Surely the judge knows if bond is reachable for MS that throws a wrench into custody battle as well. Let's hope it's just a formality that the defense requested a hearing and the judge is going along and granting his hearing ,taking all steps thinking future of potential appeal now.

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    Noticing a lot of talk about MS getting money and posting bond. Guess what, IMHO not only will he not get the cash, but I would be shocked if he pulled this off. He is behind bars to stay. I will not entertain any thoughts otherwise. There is no way SMS will ever let that happen. He had personal glee escorting him out the door for his perp walk.


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    Quote Originally Posted by beach View Post
    Thank you, GreaterThan! I was making calls yesterday to find out if the date had been set.

    Attachment 91877

    Set for the morning session which begins at 8:30am in Judge Kyle Bruce's courtroom.
    HOWEVER, there are 2 brief hearings set before MS's motion to reduce bond. The docket times indicated are just estimates of time the judge expects each one to take. If the estimates are close to accurate it means his hearing would begin around 10:00am eastern.

    Keep in mind either of those set before his could be rescheduled. Pretty sure that Mark's will not be, so to be safe, expect this hearing to take place that morning sometime after 8:30am eastern
    Yes, one of those earlier hearings that was scheduled has been removed from the docket.

    http://www.ca.cjis20.org/schedules/d.../21/2016&css=1

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    Regarding Bond

    We don't want to forget, that MS was ordered bond on his 1 count of second degree murder w/o premeditation. 2 weeks after his arraignment/ bond hearing, he was officially charged for second degree and with an additional 1 count of conspiracy to commit murder. Even if the judge decides to lower the bond, he may very well consider now 2 counts of charges.

    Just saying..

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    Quote Originally Posted by human View Post
    Maybe this guy is a sociopath, sliding into a new role for each audience. Quote from the Laundry Hag book that I am reading. Very good, BTW. Funny mystery.
    Hey human, Thanks for the tip about this series of books. I found a Kindle special online for three of them. Read the first one already and LOVED it. The references and some of the lines just crack me up!

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    Sorry for the O/T but I've been thinking about the book title and description Human posted- now I'm going to definitely get it. Can't wait to read it- I leave for a short 5 day vacation and needed a book!

    I pray MS doesn't make bond. Ugh.

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    Why not file a Wrongful Death suit against all 3 of these losers now?
    MS and his buds would additional $$$ for representation of that kind of case as well.
    TS family could begin eating up any available $$$ now to prevent accessible $$$ for bail, etc.


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    Quote Originally Posted by DesiredJustice View Post
    Why not file a Wrongful Death suit against all 3 of these losers now?
    MS and his buds would additional $$$ for representation of that kind of case as well.
    TS family could begin eating up any available $$$ now to prevent accessible $$$ for bail, etc.
    The timing of filing a wrongful death suit is bad. Specifically talking about MS here - as we all know he is currently facing serious criminal charges - 2nd degree murder and conspiracy . Nearly anything the plaintiffs' would want to ask in a depo, Mark could invoke his 5th amendment privilege. (right to decline to answer because it could incriminate him).

    Remember the Goldman's wrongful death suit against OJ Simpson? They waited to file that suit AFTER a verdict was rendered in the criminal trial for good reason. And they won that civil case. Big time. OJ could no longer invoke the 5th and refuse to answer their questions since he had already been acquitted.

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    Statute of Limitations in Florida

    Quote Originally Posted by beach View Post
    The timing of filing a wrongful death suit is bad. Specifically talking about MS here - as we all know he is currently facing serious criminal charges - 2nd degree murder and conspiracy . Nearly anything the plaintiffs' would want to ask in a depo, Mark could invoke his 5th amendment privilege. (right to decline to answer because it could incriminate him).

    Remember the Goldman's wrongful death suit against OJ Simpson? They waited to file that suit AFTER a verdict was rendered in the criminal trial for good reason. And they won that civil case. Big time. OJ could no longer invoke the 5th and refuse to answer their questions since he had already been acquitted.
    Very true, thank you, beach! On the other hand, they will have to file within 2 years since TS' death due to Statutes of Limitations in Florida. The limitations vary in different states. Just a heads up.

    http://www.leg.state.fl.us/Statutes/...s/0095.11.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by No it's not View Post
    Very true, thank you, beach! On the other hand, they will have to file within 2 years since TS' death due to Statutes of Limitations in Florida. The limitations vary in different states. Just a heads up.

    http://www.leg.state.fl.us/Statutes/...s/0095.11.html

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    Actually, it seems from paragraph 10 of that statute that there is NO statute of limitations if the wrongful death is a result of murder.

    "(10) FOR INTENTIONAL TORTS RESULTING IN DEATH FROM ACTS DESCRIBED IN S. 782.04 OR S. 782.07.—Notwithstanding paragraph (4)(d), an action for wrongful death seeking damages authorized under s. 768.21 brought against a natural person for an intentional tort resulting in death from acts described in s. 782.04 or s. 782.07 may be commenced at any time. This subsection shall not be construed to require an arrest, the filing of formal criminal charges, or a conviction for a violation of s. 782.04 or s. 782.07 as a condition for filing a civil action."

    (782.04 is the murder statute.)

    "It would seem to me that June 16, 2008 was the last time that the victim was viewed by her grandparents. It became quite evident that from the OS of the Defense that the 16th was a date of great importance and that a so called time line of activities dealing with CA, LA, GA and ICA on the 16th and what, if any, activities took place on the 15th, 16th and 17th of June on 24 hour cycles would have been, at least, of a minimal requirement of review. I take it at some point you had a computer expert look at that data?" HHJP, 6/21/11
    http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sho...139910&page=94

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    Quote Originally Posted by AZlawyer View Post
    Actually, it seems from paragraph 10 of that statute that there is NO statute of limitations if the wrongful death is a result of murder.

    "(10) FOR INTENTIONAL TORTS RESULTING IN DEATH FROM ACTS DESCRIBED IN S. 782.04 OR S. 782.07.—Notwithstanding paragraph (4)(d), an action for wrongful death seeking damages authorized under s. 768.21 brought against a natural person for an intentional tort resulting in death from acts described in s. 782.04 or s. 782.07 may be commenced at any time. This subsection shall not be construed to require an arrest, the filing of formal criminal charges, or a conviction for a violation of s. 782.04 or s. 782.07 as a condition for filing a civil action."

    (782.04 is the murder statute.)
    Great info AZlawyer! It makes more sense too. If there is no statute of limitation for murder in general, an individual can be charged after x amount of years. Consequently that individual can be filed a lawsuit for wrongful death against after x amount of years too.

    Thanks AZ!

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    I don't understand why anyone would file for wrongful death when none of the perps have a pot to pee in, so to speak. Am I missing something? Unless MS somehow was exonerated and got the life insurance proceeds, what would be in it for them?

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