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    Bosma Murder Trial 04.25.16 - Day 39

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    **If you would like to post tweets while court is in session, please read this thread first:
    Bosma Murder Trial Twitter Roll Call

    Reporters to follow on Twitter:

    Jacques Gallant, Toronto Star
    Adam Carter, CBC Hamilton - ArianeEmory
    Mark Carcasole, Global Toronto - Matou
    Molly Hayes, The Hamilton Spectator
    Peter Ackman, CTV National News
    Nicole Martin, CHCH TV
    Susan Clairmont, The Hamilton Spectator
    Shannon Martin, CBC Toronto News
    Colin Butler CBC Toronto News
    Lisa Hepfner CHCH News Reporter

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    Tim Bosma trial: the cross-examination of Marlena Meneses
    CBC News Posted: Apr 25, 2016



    The CBC's live coverage of the trial of the two men accused of murder in the death of Hamilton's Tim Bosma continues Monday with the cross-examination of Marlena Meneses. She's the former girlfriend of Mark Smich, one of the two men on trial.

    Last week Meneses, 22, testified that Smich told her that co-accused Dellen Millard shot and killed Bosma. That testimony will be challenged today during cross-examination.

    Live coverage of the trial begins at 10 a.m.

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    Jury now being called in. Underway in moments.
    by Adam Carter 10:14 AM

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    Millard's lawyer Nadir Sachak is beginning his cross-examination.
    by Adam Carter 10:16 AM

    He starts asking her about when she was handcuffed by police on May 22, 2013 when Smich was arrested.
    by Adam Carter 10:17 AM

    That day she gave a 3 to 4 hour videotaped statement to police.
    by Adam Carter 10:17 AM

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    Shannon Martin ‏@ShannonMartinTV 3m3 minutes ago Vaughan, Ontario
    We're back in court for #Bosma trial. Mark Smich's girlfriend is back on the stand this morning for cross examination

    Lisa Hepfner ‏@HefCHCHNews 2m2 minutes ago
    #Bosma jury coming in. Marlena Meneses is on the stand. Cross examination coming

    Alex Pierson ‏@AlexpiersonAMP 2m2 minutes ago
    marlena Meneses on the stand. Jury coming in. #TimBosma @AM900CHML cross exam now underway w DM lawyers. Nadir Sachak

    molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 2m2 minutes ago
    Jury being brought in.
    Meneses is back on the stand. She's wearing a black and white striped top, beige pants. Tall black heels. #Bosma

    Shannon Martin ‏@ShannonMartinTV 2m2 minutes ago Vaughan, Ontario
    She's wearing a black and white striped top, and sits with her head down in the witness box, while we wait for jury

    Colin Butler ‏@ColinButlerCBC 2m2 minutes ago
    Jury back. Marlena Meneses back in the witness box for cross examination. First up: Nadir Sachak, one of Dellen Millard's lawyers. #TimBosma

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    molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 1m1 minute ago
    Nadir Sachak (for Millard) is up for cross. #Bosma

    Lisa Hepfner ‏@HefCHCHNews 2m2 minutes ago
    #Millard lawyer Nadir Sachak will do first cross of Meneses. #Bosma

    Shannon Martin ‏@ShannonMartinTV 1m1 minute ago Vaughan, Ontario
    Lawyer for Dellen Millard up first #Bosma

    Adrian Humphreys ‏@AD_Humphreys 1m1 minute ago
    I'm back at #Bosma trial this morning for the cross examination of Marlena Meneses, Smich's girlfriend. Background: http://news.nationalpost.com/news/ca...-after-mission

    molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 2m2 minutes ago
    Sachak: you were handcuffed by police on May 22 2013...the date Smich was arrested.
    Meneses: yep. #Bosma

    Lisa Hepfner ‏@HefCHCHNews 2m2 minutes ago
    May 22 2013 Meneses was handcuffed, #Smich arrested. She provided a long videotaped statement to police. 3-4hrs. #Bosma

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    She also gave a short statement directed right to Smich, Sachak says. He says the purpose of that statement would be Smich seeing her making a plea.
    by Adam Carter 10:18 AM

    In that statement she said: "Hi baby, I love you. Please, just tell the truth. I told them what I know."
    by Adam Carter 10:19 AM

    Meneses says at that time, she really did love Smich.
    by Adam Carter 10:20 AM

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    molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 1m1 minute ago
    She provided a statement to police. Also a short videotaped statement that was directed to Smich. #Bosma

    Shannon Martin ‏@ShannonMartinTV 1m1 minute ago Vaughan, Ontario
    Millard lawyer starts with asking Meneses about the day she was handcuffed, alongside Smich, and brought in for questioning #Bosma

    Lisa Hepfner ‏@HefCHCHNews 2m2 minutes ago
    She also made a short video for #Smich. #Smich would watch her making a plea. She was telling the truth in the video, she says

    molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 2m2 minutes ago
    "The purpose was that Mr Smich would watch you on video making a plea," he says. "Correct," she says. #Bosma

    Alex Pierson ‏@AlexpiersonAMP 2m2 minutes ago
    Meneses is questioned by police. Also video statement. Smich wld see this statement where she makes a plea. @AM900CHML #TimBosma

    Colin Butler ‏@ColinButlerCBC 1m1 minute ago
    Meneses made a video statement to Mark Smich after their arrest on May 22 2013 #Bosma


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    molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 2m2 minutes ago
    In it, Sachak reads, she says to him: "hi baby I love you." She agrees she said that. #Bosma

    Shannon Martin ‏@ShannonMartinTV 2m2 minutes ago Vaughan, Ontario
    Millard lawyer reads Meneses part of statement: "Hi baby, I love you." That was the truth? Meneses: Yes. #Bosma

    Lisa Hepfner ‏@HefCHCHNews 2m2 minutes ago
    "This is what you said. Hi baby. I love you." That was the truth? yes. He was your baby and you loved him. Yes. "Please just tell the truth"

    molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 2m2 minutes ago
    "Please just tell the truth...I told them what I know," Sachak continues reading. Again she agrees she said that. #Bosma

    Shannon Martin ‏@ShannonMartinTV 2m2 minutes ago Vaughan, Ontario
    Millard lawyer: You knew nothing first hand. Everything you knew came from Mr. Smich? ... You did not go for a test drive? Meneses: No

    molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 1m1 minute ago
    Sachak suggests everything she knew was from the lips of Smich. She wasn't there. She just knew what he told her, from May 7 on. #Bosma

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    She says everything she testified so far is second hand info Smich told her. "I said that Dell did everything," she said in the statement.
    by Adam Carter 10:21 AM

    "So you have to tell them the truth, okay?" her statement goes on. "Whatever the truth was," she says in court.
    by Adam Carter 10:21 AM

    "You owe it to me, and to this family," she went on in the statement. "You wanted a child with him, you wanted to marry him?" Sachak says. "Yeah," Meneses says.
    by Adam Carter 10:22 AM

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    Lisa Hepfner ‏@HefCHCHNews 1m1 minute ago
    "I told them what I know," Meneses said to #Smich in video. Sachak says all her info came from Smich. She didn't have any first-hand

    Alex Pierson ‏@AlexpiersonAMP 2m2 minutes ago
    She said. "Hi baby. I love u. Please just tell the truth. I told them what I know." Lawyers now reminding her she wasn't there. @AM900CHML

    Lisa Hepfner ‏@HefCHCHNews 1m1 minute ago
    #Smich last words to her upon arrest were, "Don't tell them anything baby."

    Shannon Martin ‏@ShannonMartinTV 1m1 minute ago Vaughan, Ontario
    Millard lawyer: Everything you testified so far, comes from the mouth of Mr. Smich? Meneses: Yes #Bosma

    molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 2m2 minutes ago
    Sachak: you knew absolutely nothing. Everything you've testified about so far really comes from the mouth of Mr. Smich.
    She agrees. #Bosma

    Shannon Martin ‏@ShannonMartinTV 1m1 minute ago Vaughan, Ontario
    Millard Lawyer: You don't know for a fact that 'Dell' did everything? Meneses: Yes #Bosma

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    Lisa Hepfner ‏@HefCHCHNews 1m1 minute ago
    "I said that Dell did everything," Meneses told #Smich in video. Sachak ascertains that she doesn't really know that for sure.

    molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 2m2 minutes ago
    "I told them Dell did everything," her video statement continues. Sachak says you didn't know that--Smich just told you that. She agrees.

    molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 1m1 minute ago
    Truth was, as far as she knew, was that Dell did everything. #Bosma

    Lisa Hepfner ‏@HefCHCHNews 1m1 minute ago
    The truth as far as Meneses was concerned, was that Dell (#Millard) did everything.

    Colin Butler ‏@ColinButlerCBC 1m1 minute ago
    She said "Hi baby, I love you. Please just tell the truth. I told them what I know. I said that Dell did everything." #TimBosma

    Alex Pierson ‏@AlexpiersonAMP 51s52 seconds ago
    Sachak; "everything u told them is what Smich told u." In the statement Meneses tells him" I said Del did everything.'" @AM900CHML

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    molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 1m1 minute ago
    "You owe it to me and to this family," it continues. She was his family, she agrees. She wanted to marry him and have a child. Yes. #Bosma

    Lisa Hepfner ‏@HefCHCHNews 1m1 minute ago
    "You owe it to me and this family," Meneses told #Smich. She wanted to marry him & have his baby. She's wiping away tears now.

    molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 1m1 minute ago
    Sachak; even though he was arrested...you want to spend the rest of your life with Smich.
    Meneses; yes. #Bosma

    Lisa Hepfner ‏@HefCHCHNews 1m1 minute ago
    "I love you and I'll miss you, I'll be waiting for you." Meneses said it was the truth at the time. Three years ago. #Bosma

    Shannon Martin ‏@ShannonMartinTV 1m1 minute ago Vaughan, Ontario
    Millard Lawyer: You were absolutely in love w(Smich)? You wanted a baby w him? You wanted to spend the rest of your life w him? Meneses: Yes

    molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 1m1 minute ago
    "I love you & I miss you...ill be waiting for you," she finishes. "I'm going to get a pregnancy test, I'll tell you if I'm pregnant or not."

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