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    Bosma Murder Trial 04.26.16 - Day 40

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    **If you would like to post tweets while court is in session, please read this thread first:
    Bosma Murder Trial Twitter Roll Call

    Reporters to follow on Twitter:

    Jacques Gallant, Toronto Star
    Adam Carter, CBC Hamilton - ArianeEmory
    Mark Carcasole, Global Toronto - Matou
    Molly Hayes, The Hamilton Spectator
    Peter Ackman, CTV National News
    Nicole Martin, CHCH TV
    Susan Clairmont, The Hamilton Spectator
    Shannon Martin, CBC Toronto News
    Colin Butler CBC Toronto News
    Lisa Hepfner CHCH News Reporter

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    Tim Bosma trial: more testimony from Marlena Meneses
    CBC News Posted: Apr 26, 2016



    The cross-examination of Marlena Meneses, ex-girlfriend of one of the two men accused of killing Hamilton man Tim Bosma continues Tuesday.

    Meneses, 22, the former girlfriend of Mark Smich, told court Monday she wanted to marry him and have his child even though he was abusive and wanted her to become a stripper to help support him.

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    Jury now being recalled. Millard's lawyer Nadir Sachak is about to continue his cross-examination of Marlena Meneses.
    by Adam Carter 10:19 AM

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    Alex Pierson ‏@AlexpiersonAMP 1m1 minute ago
    Jury is coming back. Millards lawyer still has more questions.. @AM900CHML #timbosma

    molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 50s51 seconds ago
    Jury's back. Meneses is back on the stand. Sachak still up to finish his cross-examination. #Bosma

    Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 30s31 seconds ago
    Marlena Meneses back on the stand under cross by Sachak for Millard. Jury has returned. #Bosma

    Shannon Martin ‏@ShannonMartinTV 36s37 seconds ago Toronto, Ontario
    #Bosma trial continues - follow CBC's live blog via @AdamCarterCBC here http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/hamilt...rial-1.3553144 … @CBCHamilton

    Lisa Hepfner ‏@HefCHCHNews 34s35 seconds ago
    #Bosma jury is here. Marlena Meneses is in all black today. Sachak continuing his cross

    Colin Butler ‏@ColinButlerCBC 31s32 seconds ago
    Jury back. Marlena Meneses back in the witness box for cross examination by Dellen Millard's lawyer Nadir Sachak. #TimBosma

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    molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 37s38 seconds ago
    Sachak wants to clarify something about the wedding--it was not Andrea's wedding (Smich's sister in from Calgary). #Bosma

    Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 43s43 seconds ago
    Sachak clarifying that Andrea is Mark's sister, but not the one who got married. Andrea was from Calgary and maid of honour. #Bosma

    Lisa Hepfner ‏@HefCHCHNews 32s33 seconds ago
    Andrea #Smich was not the sister who got married a few days before brother's arrest. She was maid of honour

    molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 29s30 seconds ago
    It was their other sister's wedding. Andrea was the maid of honour or 'something like that,' Meneses agrees. #Bosma

    Alex Pierson ‏@AlexpiersonAMP 6s7 seconds ago
    Clarifying whose wedding smich and meneses attended. It was his sister. She is unnamed. @AM900CHML #timbosma

    Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 19s19 seconds ago
    Four bedrooms at Smich house: one for her and Mark; one for Mark's mom; another for Andrea. #Bosma

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    molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 18s18 seconds ago
    There were 4 bdrms at Smich's house. One for she and Smich, one for his mom and one for Andrea (her old room)--leaving a free room. #Bosma

    Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 20s20 seconds ago
    One bedroom was vacant. Also a basement apartment with a bedroom and washroom. She and Mark were renovating that apartment. #Bosma

    molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 16s16 seconds ago
    There was also a basement apartment in the house. She and Smich were renovating it. It was also vacant at the time of the wedding. #Bosma

    Lisa Hepfner ‏@HefCHCHNews 16s17 seconds ago
    #Smich and Meneses were renovating his mother's basement in May 2013

    molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 10s11 seconds ago
    Sachak suggests there was room for them there when they chose to move to Meneses's sister's apartment. She agrees. #Bosma

    Lisa Hepfner ‏@HefCHCHNews 3s4 seconds ago
    Sachak asking about a black backpack #Smich used to wear. She doesn't seem to recall it. "Let me think about that."

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    Sachak starting by saying that Smich's sister Andrea wasn't getting married, she was the maid of honour for their other sister's wedding. She came down from Calgary for the wedding.
    by Adam Carter 10:22 AM

    Sachak now going through all the rooms in Smich's mother's home in an attempt to showcase they didn't have to go to her sister's in May 2013. "When you moved to your sister's place, there were rooms to stay in at Mark Smich's place," Sachak says. "Fair," Meneses says.
    by Adam Carter 10:24 AM

    Sachak now asking if Smich would carry a black backpack, and Meneses says yes.
    by Adam Carter 10:24 AM

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    Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 18s19 seconds ago
    She and Mark could have stayed at the Smich house...Sachak asking if Mark had black backpack. She "is trying to think about that."

    molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 10s11 seconds ago
    Sachak asking now about a black backpack Smich always wore. "Sorry let me just try and think about that," Meneses says. #Bosma

    Lisa Hepfner ‏@HefCHCHNews 45s45 seconds ago
    Ya. He did have a backpack. It was small, canvas, with buckles. He'd wear it a lot. Keep his personal belongings in it.

    molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 44s44 seconds ago
    "Yeah he did," she agrees. It was small, black, canvas. Had buckles. He kept his stuff in it. #Bosma

    Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 1m1 minute ago
    She says he did have a black backpack, small, buckles. He wore it a lot. What happened to it after May 6, 2013? She never saw it again.

    Lisa Hepfner ‏@HefCHCHNews 48s48 seconds ago
    Meneses says she never saw the backpack again after May 6 2013


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    Meneses says she never saw that backpack after May 6, 2013 -- the day Bosma disappeared.
    by Adam Carter 10:25 AM

    Court now hearing that the walkie talkies talked about yesterday were to be used when Millard was planning to steal some lawn mowers. Meneses says she never helped with that.
    by Adam Carter 10:25 AM

    Smich was supposed to assist with the lawn mower theft, Sachak says, and Meneses agreed. It never happened.
    by Adam Carter 10:26 AM

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    molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 46s46 seconds ago
    She never saw the black backpack again after May 6, 2013, she agrees with Sachak. Doesn't know what happened to it. #Bosma

    Colin Butler ‏@ColinButlerCBC 26s26 seconds ago
    Meneses says Smich often wore a small black backpack that he suddenly stopped wearing after May 6 2013. #Bosma

    molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 59s59 seconds ago
    Re: walkie talkies, she'd seen them before when Dell wanted her to be a lookout for theft of lawn mowers. #Bosma

    Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 49s49 seconds ago
    The walkie talkies that belonged to Dell. She had them when he wanted to steal riding lawn mower. She was going to be a lookout.

    Lisa Hepfner ‏@HefCHCHNews 37s37 seconds ago
    Asking about theft of 2 ride-on lawnmowers #Millard planned to steal. He wanted Meneses to be lookout on walkie talkie. Theft never happened

    molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 29s29 seconds ago
    But theft never took place. "I never helped him with that," she says. Sachak clarifies never happened at all (they'd been moved). #Bosma

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    Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 1m1 minute ago
    Theft of lawn mowers never happened. #Bosma

    Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 38s38 seconds ago
    Smich was also supposed to help steal lawn mowers.

    molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 34s34 seconds ago
    Smich was also going to be a lookout on that theft (that never happened). Also using walkie talkies. #Bosma

    Lisa Hepfner ‏@HefCHCHNews 15s15 seconds ago
    May 10, 2013, #Millard arrested for theft of truck and forcible confinement. Sachak asks if Meneses knew the charges. She says only partly

    molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 37s38 seconds ago
    May 10 Millard was charged w theft and forcible confinement. May 14, charges upgraded to 1st degree murder. She agrees she knew that. #Bosma

    Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 33s34 seconds ago
    She knew Millard arrested May 10 for theft of truck. Not sure about forcible confinement. May 14 knew he was charged 1st degree murder.

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    Meneses says by May 14, she kew Millard had been charged with first-degree murder.
    by Adam Carter 10:27 AM

    Court saw photos of her and Smich at the wedding on May 19, smiling.
    by Adam Carter 10:28 AM

    Sachak now asking about "Smichy's Bar" -- Sachak asks if she ever worked there or as a bartender. She says no, but says she did waitress some at a church.
    by Adam Carter 10:29 AM

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    molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 27s28 seconds ago
    Then on May 19, she and Smich went to the wedding. #Bosma

    Lisa Hepfner ‏@HefCHCHNews 27s28 seconds ago
    She heard on May 14, 2013 #Millard charges were elevated to first degree murder. She knew her boyfriend #Smich was involved somehow

    Alex Pierson ‏@AlexpiersonAMP 57s57 seconds ago
    Menese questioned on what she knew about DM charges and she didn't want to know more about Smich. @AM900CHML #TimBosma

    molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 38s39 seconds ago
    Sachak is asking about "Smichy's bar." She doesn't know anything about this. Sachak asks if she ever worked at a waitress at this bar. No.

    Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 8s9 seconds ago
    Asked if she ever worked at Smychis Bar? She says no. She did waitress at a church though. #Bosma

    molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 14s14 seconds ago
    She did used to waitress, at a church. But was never a bartender at Smichy's (sp?). She seems confused by these questions. #Bosma

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