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    Bosma Murder Trial 05.10.16 - Midweek Discussion

    The jury has been excused until Wednesday, May 11 when Mark Smich's defence team will begin to call its case. Please continue discussion here until the trial resumes Wednesday morning and a new daily trial thread is opened.

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    Remembering Tim Bosma and waiting for Justice


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    TIM AND HIS DAUGHTER
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    Tim Bosma and his baby daughter
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    Tim and Sharlene Bosma's wedding pic displayed at the memorial for Tim
    from: http://www.thespec.com/news-story/62...hter-to-court/
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    Tim Bosma trial: Millard won't testify, no word on Smich



    Legal counsel for accused killer Dellen Millard announced in court Monday that their client will not testify at the trial of the two men accused of killing Hamilton man Tim Bosma.

    Millard's lawyer Ravin Pillay said he is not calling any witnesses at all. The accused is not compelled to testify, even at a murder trial.

    Lawyers for Millard's co-accused, Mark Smich, said they will call evidence at the trial.

    http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/hamilt...mich-1.3573088

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    Quote Originally Posted by andreww View Post
    To be fair, SS said it appeared to be Smich. I think that given the one person was easily identified as Millard because of his gait, the second man could easily have been mistakenly identified as Smich. As I recall though, SS wasn't pressed on the issue in cross, so I doubt that Smich's team will try to deny his presence that night.
    I think it's a little bit late in the game to deny it. No matter the wording he saw them both regularly.

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    Just have a thought of something unexplained:

    On Wednesday after the test drive there were several men working at Maple Gate (on cars or on landscaping - both was said).
    Does anybody know whether the phone pings are stating who was there at the time?
    Is it totally irrelevant?? It has been an exceptional day for working at Maple Gate, I think.

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    I posted this in the other thread, but saw it was going to close....

    I honestly believe MS and DM had a "brother" pact of sorts, through their lawyers, not to say a word, especially with the LB murder trial also on the horizon.

    That said, when MS saw the letters in court, and it was evident DM had every intention of turning stool pigeon and setting him up to take the fall, MS decided their little pact was off. When DM and his counsel took a pass on taking the stand, MS pounced and is going to tell all -whether it is the whole truth or not.

    Dellen the Felon, with his smug attitude, smiles and waves in open court, is about to get a reality check. He thought he was the "mission commander", so to speak, and MS was just the stupid guy who would do anything he asked. Maybe he was right, but I believe his brother, his partner is crime, is going to sing like a canary.

    I think they are both going down for first degree murder, but I think MS is going to do everything he can to save his own ass now. DM was set to betray his "brother", and I am guessing MS is going to have a lot to say Wednesday. All this MOO

    EDIT: My bad. MS would have seen the letters before court. But the premise remains: when he saw the letters, he decided he was going to turn. MOO
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    Crown closes its case in Tim Bosma trial: Here's what comes next
    By Adam Carter, CBC News Posted: May 10, 2016

    On Monday, Justice Andrew Goodman asked Millard and Smich's legal teams if they would be calling witnesses.

    Millard's name is first on the indictment, so the question was first put to his lawyer Ravin Pillay.

    Pillay said no, meaning Millard will not testify. An accused person cannot be compelled to testify.

    The majority of evidence at the trial so far has centred on Millard. The aviation company heir even wrote about addressing the jury in jailhouse letters he had smuggled out to his then girlfriend, Christina Noudga.

    "My heart's racing. [It's] probably a combination of a quick workout, and [rehearsing] an [opening] address to a jury," he wrote.

    http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/hamilt...574185?cmp=rss

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jug Up View Post
    I posted this in the other thread, but saw it was going to close....

    I honestly believe MS and DM had a "brother" pact of sorts, through their lawyers, not to say a word, especially with the LB murder trial also on the horizon.

    That said, when MS saw the letters in court, and it was evident DM had every intention of turning stool pigeon and setting him up to take the fall, MS decided their little pact was off. When DM and his counsel took a pass on taking the stand, MS pounced and is going to tell all -whether it is the whole truth or not.

    Dellen the Felon, with his smug attitude, smiles and waves in open court, is about to get a reality check. I believe his brother, his partner is crime, is going to sing like a canary.

    I think they are both going down for first degree murder, but I think MS is going to do everything he can to save his own ass now. DM was set to betray his "brother", and I am guessing MS is going to have a lot to say Wednesday. MOO
    I agree with the general theme here, except at the time of arrest, the LB trial was not on the horizon. It was still something that was being kept secret between them. At some point in discovery, MS would have seen the letters. It would have been at least a year or more down the road from the arrest as LE did not have them until then, but it would not have been in court.

    While MS was in custody, around the time that LE seemed to be concentrating on the LB and WM deaths, MS breached his no contact order with MM. No doubt because he was being asked questions and wanted to find out from MM what she may have said? I think it was also said on here that MM was trying to contact MWJ via social media. Perhaps on behalf of MS?

    So if MS was staying quiet at the beginning due to some kind of pact, once he was charged for the other murder and once he saw the letters in discovery, I'd imagine he figured all bets were off. But I have no idea if what he has likely told his lawyer about everything is the truth. Or if he made any kind of statement at the beginning.

    MOO

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kamille View Post
    I agree with the general theme here, except at the time of arrest, the LB trial was not on the horizon. It was still something that was being kept secret between them. At some point in discovery, MS would have seen the letters. It would have been at least a year or more down the road from the arrest as LE did not have them until then, but it would not have been in court.

    While MS was in custody, around the time that LE seemed to be concentrating on the LB and WM deaths, MS breached his no contact order with MM. No doubt because he was being asked questions and wanted to find out from MM what she may have said? I think it was also said on here that MM was trying to contact MWJ via social media. Perhaps on behalf of MS?

    So if MS was staying quiet at the beginning due to some kind of pact, once he was charged for the other murder and once he saw the letters in discovery, I'd imagine he figured all bets were off. But I have no idea if what he has likely told his lawyer about everything is the truth. Or if he made any kind of statement at the beginning.

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    Yes, I should have worded that a little differently. I think the jailhouse pact was made prior to the LB charges being announced, and related just to TB. I think whenever he saw the letters, like you mentioned, he decided he was going to sing. Yes, you are correct, he would have seen the letters beforehand. My bad.

    At the end of the day, I still think this is how it is going to shake down. As soon as MS saw / heard about the letters, he decided he was going to sing, which I think explains the silence, almost hostility, between the two of them throughout the trial. I think the moment Dungey announced they were calling evidence, DM realized he was about to be royally screwed over. MOO


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    Well its pretty obvious there is no love loss between the two of them now. Have they even acknowledged each other in the past 3 months? It would be interesting to be a fly on the wall in the holding area or in the prison van. I'm sure there is plenty of conversation between these two once out of view from the jury.

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    Since they are in seperate facilities do you think they would be transported together?

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    Another good article on the upcoming process
    Goodman excused the jury until Wednesday, when Dungey will begin calling his own witnesses. In all likelihood, he will not call nearly as much evidence as the Crown did. He will also give an opening address, as the Crown did at the beginning of the trial.
    http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/hamilt...-now-1.3574185

    More details

    http://www.thespec.com/news-story/65...l-is-in-sight/

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    This interview with Joseph Neuberger, Criminal Lawyer with Neuberger & Partners LLP provides some good insight around this case, and what is next at this phase.

    I could not find the direct link to the interview with Scott Thomson of AM900, but here is a link to the interview on FB.
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    Update link thanks to SnooperDuper
    https://soundcloud.com/am900chml/is-...at-their-trial

    MOO
    Last edited by Inspector_North; 05-10-2016 at 09:30 AM. Reason: That page is off limits, thanks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mscree View Post
    Since they are in seperate facilities do you think they would be transported together?
    I believe there is a no contact order between them so they are probably transported seperately. IMO

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