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    Bosma Murder Trial 05.12.16 - Day 48

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    **If you would like to post tweets while court is in session, please read this thread first:
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    Susan Clairmont, The Hamilton Spectator
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    Tim Bosma trial: Mark Smich returns to testify
    CBC News Posted: May 12, 2016


    This artist's rendering shows the Mark Smich in the witness box (right) being questioned by lawyer Thomas Dungey (middle) with Dellen Millard (right) looking on. (Pam Davies/CBC)

    After Wednesday's dramatic testimony accused murderer Mark Smich returns to testify at the Tim Bosma trial in Hamilton.

    Yesterday Smich told the jury that co-accused, Dellen Millard shot Bosma and, in the moments after, "looked like a lunatic."

    ​Smich said he wasn't in Bosma's truck when the shooting happened. He told the jury he was following the vehicle in Millard's Yukon that the two had driven to the Bosma home in the Hamilton suburb of Ancaster.

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    Court is now in session. No jury in just yet.
    by Adam Carter 9:59 AM

    Jury now being recalled.
    by Adam Carter 10:02 AM

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    Thanks in advance for all those who are able to update with the tweets today. It's hugely appreciated.

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    molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 1m1 minute ago
    The jury is being called back in. #Bosma

    Lisa Hepfner ‏@HefCHCHNews 57s57 seconds ago
    #Bosma jury is coming in. Smich is wearing a yellow shirt today, with jeans.

    Alex Pierson ‏@AlexpiersonAMP 38s38 seconds ago
    Jury called in. Mark smich back on the stand. @AM900CHML

    molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 9s10 seconds ago
    We are back. Smich on the stand. Dungey back up. #Bosma

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    Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 32s32 seconds ago
    Jury is in the courtroom and Mark Smich is back on the stand. Thomas Dungey on his feet to continue exam in chief. Asking about gun.

    molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 21s22 seconds ago
    He starts off clarifying a Q he asked yesterday--he asks if he's correct that Smich saw 2 photos of the same gun. He agrees, yes. #Bosma

    Colin Butler ‏@ColinButlerCBC 21s22 seconds ago
    Jury is in at the #TimBosma murder trial. Mark Smich continues his testimony this morning under questioning by his lawyer Tom Dungey.

    Lisa Hepfner ‏@HefCHCHNews 33s34 seconds ago
    Dungey says there was some confusion yesterday about the "guns" question. There were two photos of a gun. #Bosma

    Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 17s18 seconds ago
    Smich says he saw two photos of the same gun...When he told Marlena "I ****ed up" what did he mean? "Going for the test drive."

    molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 19s20 seconds ago
    Dungey asks Smich what he meant when he told his girlfriend after Millard's arrest that he "****ed up." #Bosma

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    Lisa Hepfner ‏@HefCHCHNews 33s34 seconds ago
    He told gf Meneses "I F'd up, I f'd up." Why? "I went on the test drive." Meneses had warned him not to.

    Colin Butler ‏@ColinButlerCBC 33s34 seconds ago
    Smich says when he told Marlena "I ****ed up" he meant he went with Millard on the test drive against her advice. #TimBosma

    Alex Pierson ‏@AlexpiersonAMP 26s27 seconds ago
    Smich asked to clarify pictures of guns. And what she meant when he said he 'f--d up" he says because he went w Dell. @AM900CHML

    molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 21s22 seconds ago
    He said he was referring to going on the test drive with Dell--because his gf Marlena Meneses had told him not to. #Bosma

    Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 49s50 seconds ago
    Now toolbox and Brandan Daly. "It would have started one day after the toolbox would have been dropped off."

    molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 30s31 seconds ago
    Dungey now asks him about the toolbox. Smich recalls telling his friend Brendan Daly he wished he'd had him get the box... #Bosma

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    Colin Butler ‏@ColinButlerCBC 28s29 seconds ago
    Now talking about what Smich told Brendan Daly about the toolbox. Smich had said he wished Daly had moved it. #TimBosma

    Shannon Martin ‏@ShannonMartinTV 25s26 seconds ago Mississauga, Ontario
    Mark Smich is back on the stand. He's telling the jury about moving the toolbox. #Bosma #HamOnt

    Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 21s22 seconds ago
    Smich told Daly he wished he'd moved it instead of Arthur, whose mother "came screaming at me in Russian."

    Lisa Hepfner ‏@HefCHCHNews 42s43 seconds ago
    Talking about moving the toolbox that held the gun. His friend Arthur's mother was screaming in Russian, Smich didn't really understand

    molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 42s43 seconds ago
    ...instead of his friend Arthur. #Bosma

    Shannon Martin ‏@ShannonMartinTV 32s33 seconds ago Mississauga, Ontario
    Smich tells the jury there was a conversation. There was a gun in the toolbox. #Bosma #HamOnt


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    Thomas Dungey now continuing his examination of Mark Smich.
    by Adam Carter 10:04 AM

    Smich talking about a discussion he had with friend Brendan Daly about the toolbox he was given. Smich says he told Daly he wished Daly had moved it instead of his other friend Arthur.
    by Adam Carter 10:06 AM

    "I told him there was a gun in the toolbox, that was unexpected," Smich says. A few days later, they talked about selling the gun.
    by Adam Carter 10:07 AM

    "I was expecting some drugs, and there was a toolbox with a gun in it."
    by Adam Carter 10:07 AM

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    Lisa Hepfner ‏@HefCHCHNews 16s17 seconds ago
    Arthur picked up the toolbox for Smich. Smich told another friend he wished he had moved the toolbox instead because of Arthur's mom.

    Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 43s44 seconds ago
    "That would have been the conversation. That there was a gun in the toolbox." Told Daly gun "was unexpected."

    molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 29s30 seconds ago
    Smich told Daly there was a gun in the toolbox that was "unexpected." #Bosma

    Lisa Hepfner ‏@HefCHCHNews 19s20 seconds ago
    "A few days after that, I would have had a conversation with him about selling the gun." Smich is talking about friend Brendan Daly

    molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 18s19 seconds ago
    He says he had been expecting drugs. #Bosma

    Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 13s14 seconds ago
    "A few days after that I would have had a conversation with him about selling the gun." Smich says he was expecting drugs to be dropped off.

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    Colin Butler ‏@ColinButlerCBC 47s47 seconds ago
    Smich says the gun in the toolbox was unexpected. He was expecting drugs instead. #TimBosma

    Shannon Martin ‏@ShannonMartinTV 46s46 seconds ago Mississauga, Ontario
    Smich: 'I told him things got dropped off. I was expecting drugs, and there was a toolbox with a gun in it.'

    molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 1m1 minute ago
    A few days later Smich says they had another conversation about the toolbox, this time about selling the gun. #Bosma

    Lisa Hepfner ‏@HefCHCHNews 1m1 minute ago
    "As days went on, the conversations obviously grew, around the toolbox." Smich. "Conversation about trying to sell the gun."

    molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 59s59 seconds ago
    "I didn't want to be anywhere around it," Smich says. #Bosma

    Shannon Martin ‏@ShannonMartinTV 1m1 minute ago Mississauga, Ontario
    Smich says 'there was a conversation about selling the gun in the toolbox. I didn't want to be anywhere around it.' #Bosma #HamOnt

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    "I didn't want to be anywhere around it," Smich says about the gun. He says they talked about selling it. "I asked him if he knew anybody who would be able to buy it, because I needed the money for a lawyer."
    by Adam Carter 10:08 AM

    Smich says Daly tried to broker a deal with his friend, but he didn't have enough money.
    by Adam Carter 10:08 AM

    Smich says a bunch of people were pressuring him to get rid of the gun. Says his sister told him CityTV called the house, and she was telling him to get rid of what was in the house.
    by Adam Carter 10:09 AM

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    Colin Butler ‏@ColinButlerCBC 1m1 minute ago
    Smich says he told Daly he wanted to sell the gun, he didn't want to be around it #TimBosma

    molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 58s58 seconds ago
    "I asked him if he knew anybody that'd be able to buy it. Because I needed money for a lawyer," he says. #Bosma

    Lisa Hepfner ‏@HefCHCHNews 50s50 seconds ago
    "I didn't want to be anywhere around it. And I asked him if he knew anyone who would buy it, because I needed a lawyer." Smich

    molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 1m1 minute ago
    Smich says Daly did call a friend who came over, but he didn't have enough money. Bought a bit of weed and left. #Bosma

    Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 1m1 minute ago
    The gun in the toolbox was a surprise, says Smich. "I didn't want to be anywhere around it...

    Colin Butler ‏@ColinButlerCBC 1m1 minute ago
    Smich wanted Daly to help him sell it so he could get money for a lawyer. #Bosma

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