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    Bosma Murder Trial 05.19.16 - Day 52

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    **If you would like to post tweets while court is in session, please read this thread first:
    Bosma Murder Trial Twitter Roll Call

    Reporters to follow on Twitter:

    Jacques Gallant, Toronto Star
    Adam Carter, CBC Hamilton
    Mark Carcasole, Global Toronto
    Molly Hayes, The Hamilton Spectator
    Peter Ackman, CTV National News
    Nicole Martin, CHCH TV
    Susan Clairmont, The Hamilton Spectator
    Shannon Martin, CBC Toronto News
    Colin Butler CBC Toronto News
    Lisa Hepfner CHCH News Reporter

    General MSM Tweets

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    Tim Bosma trial: Cross-examination of Mark Smich continues Thursday
    CBC News Posted: May 19, 2016



    Jurors heard, Wednesday, the lawyer for accused killer Dellen Millard say that it was his co-accused Mark Smich who shot Hamilton man Tim Bosma. The trial of the two men accused of killing Bosma continues Thursday. The cross-examination of Smich stretches into its fourth day.

    Lawyer Nadir Sachak worked Wednesday to discredit Smich's testimony saying his story "doesn't make any sense."

    Follow our live coverage Thursday starting at 10 a.m.

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    Back at the courthouse today for the Bosma trial. Follow along for updates.
    by Adam Carter 9:43 AM

    Court is now underway. No jury in yet.
    by Adam Carter 10:00 AM

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    Jury now being called in.
    by Adam Carter 10:05 AM

    Millard's lawyer Nadir Sachak will continue his cross-examination of Mark Smich.
    by Adam Carter 10:06 AM

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    Sachak is starting back in talking about the night Bosma died.
    by Adam Carter 10:08 AM

    Smich agrees the drive from Bosma's home to where Millard's Yukon was parked wasn't long.
    by Adam Carter 10:08 AM

    Smich says he believes when they first walked from the Yukon to the Bosma house, it was under a five minute walk.
    by Adam Carter 10:09 AM

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    Can anyone cover these tweets? I would but I have an appointment soon.

    https://twitter.com/HefCHCHNews?ref_...Ctwgr%5Eauthor

    https://twitter.com/mollyhayes

    https://twitter.com/AnnB03/lists/tim-bosma-trial < General tweet feed.

    Tia
    Last edited by Coldpizza; 05-19-2016 at 10:14 AM.

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    JB - think you're going to get the answers this am.....looks like NS is going to drill down the time line.....MOO

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    Sachak says that drive would only take about 30 seconds. Smich says he doesn't know an exact time.
    by Adam Carter 10:09 AM

    After Smich was dropped off, Millard pulled U-turn, Sachak says. At the end of it his headlights were facing west. Smich then followed behind them in the SUV.
    by Adam Carter 10:10 AM

    Then Millard drove onto Trinity Road, Smich agrees. They drove north.
    by Adam Carter 10:11 AM


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    Quote Originally Posted by Coldpizza View Post
    Can anyone cover these tweets? I would but I have an appointment soon.

    https://twitter.com/HefCHCHNews?ref_...Ctwgr%5Eauthor

    https://twitter.com/mollyhayes

    Tia
    I'll do it until someone comes along....I am at work, so may be a little slow....

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    Adam Carter ‏@AdamCarterCBC 5m5 minutes ago
    Millard's lawyer Nadir Sachak will continue his cross-examination of Mark Smich. #TimBosma #Bosma #HamOnt

    Colin Butler ‏@ColinButlerCBC 3m3 minutes ago
    Jury is in. Sachak continues his cross examination of accused killer Mark Smich. #TimBosma

    Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 5m5 minutes ago
    Jury is in and accused killer Mark Smich is still on the stand. Nadir Sachak cross examining for co-accused Dellen Millard. #Bosma

    Lisa Hepfner ‏@HefCHCHNews 5m5 minutes ago
    Sachak wants to know about the drive from #Bosma home to the Book Rd laneway. 15-20 seconds?

    Adam Carter ‏@AdamCarterCBC 5m5 minutes ago
    Sachak is starting back in talking about the night Bosma died. #TimBosma

    Lisa Hepfner ‏@HefCHCHNews 5m5 minutes ago
    "It's pretty close, sir," Smich won't give an exact time. #TimBosma

    molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 5m5 minutes ago
    Back in court. Smich back on the stand. Sachak back up for cross. #Bosma

    Adam Carter ‏@AdamCarterCBC 5m5 minutes ago
    Smich agrees the drive from Bosma's home to where Millard's Yukon was parked wasn't long. #TimBosma #Bosma

    Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 5m5 minutes ago
    Court seeing aerial view of field where Millard parked Yukon near #Bosma house. Smich agrees field is close to Bosma house.

    molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 4m4 minutes ago
    Sachak is asking about how long the drive was from Bosma's house to where the Yukon was parked. Smich agrees it wasn't long. #Bosma

    Lisa Hepfner ‏@HefCHCHNews 5m5 minutes ago
    When Millard and Smich walked to the #Bosma house from the parking spot, it took 5-6 minutes? Smich says that's close. He's not sure.

    Adam Carter ‏@AdamCarterCBC 5m5 minutes ago
    Smich says he believes when they first walked from the Yukon to the Bosma house, it was under a five minute walk. #TimBosma #Bosma

    Colin Butler ‏@ColinButlerCBC 5m5 minutes ago
    Sachak suggests the distance between the #Bosma house and where Millard and Smichies parked the car was less than a minute's drive.

    Alex Pierson ‏@AlexpiersonAMP 5m5 minutes ago
    Sachak questioning distance of yukon to Bosma residence. "Relatively close" says smich. @AM900CHML

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    Sachak says the location where they stopped near Supersucker Inc. is about 2 km away.
    by Adam Carter 10:12 AM

    Smich says he was driving right behind the Bosma truck on Trinity Road North. There was no car between them.
    by Adam Carter 10:14 AM

    Smich says they don't come back south on Trinity Road.
    by Adam Carter 10:14 AM

    Smich says they "took side roads," and he's not "familiar with the area."
    by Adam Carter 10:15 AM

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    molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 5m5 minutes ago
    Sachak suggests if that at a normal speed it would really only take 30 secs to drive there. Smich isn't sure but agrees it's close. #Bosma

    Adam Carter ‏@AdamCarterCBC 5m5 minutes ago
    Sachak says that drive would only take about 30 seconds. Smich says he doesn't know an exact time. #TimBosma #Bosma

    Colin Butler ‏@ColinButlerCBC 6m6 minutes ago
    Smich says "it's really close sir. I'm not sure of the exact time." #TimBosma

    molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 5m5 minutes ago
    Sachak asking Smich about what the truck did when it stopped at the field where Yukon was parked. Smich says Millard did a U-turn. #Bosma

    Lisa Hepfner ‏@HefCHCHNews 6m6 minutes ago
    Smich got dropped off on Book Rd at the dirt road, then Millard did a u-turn in the #Bosma truck, Sachak has Smich agree.

    molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 6m6 minutes ago
    (So now the trucks headlights are facing west on Book Rd). #Bosma

    Alex Pierson ‏@AlexpiersonAMP 5m5 minutes ago
    Smich agrees millard dropped him off entrance of sandy driveway on Book rd. Does u turn and faces back east. @AM900CHML

    Adam Carter ‏@AdamCarterCBC 5m5 minutes ago
    After Smich was dropped off, Millard pulled U-turn, Sachak says. At the end of it his headlights were facing west. #TimBosma #Bosma

    Colin Butler ‏@ColinButlerCBC 6m6 minutes ago
    Sachak says Smich was dropped off and Millard did a u-turn and drove west. Smich followed both men in the truck in Millard's SUV. #TimBosma

    Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 6m6 minutes ago
    Smich, driving Yukon, follows Millard and Tim in #Bosma truck.

    Adam Carter ‏@AdamCarterCBC 5m5 minutes ago
    Smich then followed behind them in the SUV. #TimBosma #Bosma

    molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 5m5 minutes ago
    And Smich says he pulls out of laneway, making a left (westbound) onto Book Rd and follows. #Bosma

    Lisa Hepfner ‏@HefCHCHNews 6m6 minutes ago
    Smich then follows Millard and #Bosma in the Yukon, which was already facing Book Rd. Turns left to follow, & they go north on Trinity Rd

    Adam Carter ‏@AdamCarterCBC 6m6 minutes ago
    Then Millard drove onto Trinity Road, Smich agrees. They drove north. #TimBosma #Bosma

    Alex Pierson ‏@AlexpiersonAMP 5m5 minutes ago
    Smich follows him out. east on book rd. North on Trinity rd. Super sucker is 2 km from there. @AM900CHML

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    Sachak says that the drive from Book Road and Trinity Road to where they were seen on video at Supersucker would be under a minute. Smich says he doesn't recall the speed or exact time.
    by Adam Carter 10:17 AM

    "I don't know what the speeds of the roads are," Smich says.
    by Adam Carter 10:18 AM

    They were also caught on video near Bobcat of Brantford, which is about 19 minutes away.
    by Adam Carter 10:18 AM

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