Bosma Murder Trial 05.19.16 - Day 52

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**If you would like to post tweets while court is in session, please read this thread first:
[h=1]Bosma Murder Trial Twitter Roll Call[/h]
Reporters to follow on Twitter:

Jacques Gallant, Toronto Star
Adam Carter, CBC Hamilton
Mark Carcasole, Global Toronto
Molly Hayes, The Hamilton Spectator
Peter Ackman, CTV National News
Nicole Martin, CHCH TV
Susan Clairmont, The Hamilton Spectator
Shannon Martin, CBC Toronto News
Colin Butler CBC Toronto News
Lisa Hepfner CHCH News Reporter

General MSM Tweets

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http://www.cbc.ca/hamilton/news/
 
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Tim Bosma trial: Cross-examination of Mark Smich continues Thursday
CBC News Posted: May 19, 2016

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Jurors heard, Wednesday, the lawyer for accused killer Dellen Millard say that it was his co-accused Mark Smich who shot Hamilton man Tim Bosma. The trial of the two men accused of killing Bosma continues Thursday. The cross-examination of Smich stretches into its fourth day.

Lawyer Nadir Sachak worked Wednesday to discredit Smich's testimony saying his story "doesn't make any sense."

Follow our live coverage Thursday starting at 10 a.m.

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Back at the courthouse today for the Bosma trial. Follow along for updates.
by Adam Carter 9:43 AM

Court is now underway. No jury in yet.
by Adam Carter 10:00 AM
 
Jury now being called in.
by Adam Carter 10:05 AM

Millard's lawyer Nadir Sachak will continue his cross-examination of Mark Smich.
by Adam Carter 10:06 AM
 
Sachak is starting back in talking about the night Bosma died.
by Adam Carter 10:08 AM

Smich agrees the drive from Bosma's home to where Millard's Yukon was parked wasn't long.
by Adam Carter 10:08 AM

Smich says he believes when they first walked from the Yukon to the Bosma house, it was under a five minute walk.
by Adam Carter 10:09 AM
 
JB - think you're going to get the answers this am.....looks like NS is going to drill down the time line.....MOO
 
Sachak says that drive would only take about 30 seconds. Smich says he doesn't know an exact time.
by Adam Carter 10:09 AM

After Smich was dropped off, Millard pulled U-turn, Sachak says. At the end of it his headlights were facing west. Smich then followed behind them in the SUV.
by Adam Carter 10:10 AM

Then Millard drove onto Trinity Road, Smich agrees. They drove north.
by Adam Carter 10:11 AM
 
Adam Carter ‏@AdamCarterCBC 5m5 minutes ago
Millard's lawyer Nadir Sachak will continue his cross-examination of Mark Smich. #TimBosma #Bosma #HamOnt

Colin Butler ‏@ColinButlerCBC 3m3 minutes ago
Jury is in. Sachak continues his cross examination of accused killer Mark Smich. #TimBosma

Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 5m5 minutes ago
Jury is in and accused killer Mark Smich is still on the stand. Nadir Sachak cross examining for co-accused Dellen Millard. #Bosma

Lisa Hepfner ‏@HefCHCHNews 5m5 minutes ago
Sachak wants to know about the drive from #Bosma home to the Book Rd laneway. 15-20 seconds?

Adam Carter ‏@AdamCarterCBC 5m5 minutes ago
Sachak is starting back in talking about the night Bosma died. #TimBosma

Lisa Hepfner ‏@HefCHCHNews 5m5 minutes ago
"It's pretty close, sir," Smich won't give an exact time. #TimBosma

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 5m5 minutes ago
Back in court. Smich back on the stand. Sachak back up for cross. #Bosma

Adam Carter ‏@AdamCarterCBC 5m5 minutes ago
Smich agrees the drive from Bosma's home to where Millard's Yukon was parked wasn't long. #TimBosma #Bosma

Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 5m5 minutes ago
Court seeing aerial view of field where Millard parked Yukon near #Bosma house. Smich agrees field is close to Bosma house.

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 4m4 minutes ago
Sachak is asking about how long the drive was from Bosma's house to where the Yukon was parked. Smich agrees it wasn't long. #Bosma

Lisa Hepfner ‏@HefCHCHNews 5m5 minutes ago
When Millard and Smich walked to the #Bosma house from the parking spot, it took 5-6 minutes? Smich says that's close. He's not sure.

Adam Carter ‏@AdamCarterCBC 5m5 minutes ago
Smich says he believes when they first walked from the Yukon to the Bosma house, it was under a five minute walk. #TimBosma #Bosma

Colin Butler ‏@ColinButlerCBC 5m5 minutes ago
Sachak suggests the distance between the #Bosma house and where Millard and Smichies parked the car was less than a minute's drive.

Alex Pierson ‏@AlexpiersonAMP 5m5 minutes ago
Sachak questioning distance of yukon to Bosma residence. "Relatively close" says smich. @AM900CHML
 
Sachak says the location where they stopped near Supersucker Inc. is about 2 km away.
by Adam Carter 10:12 AM

Smich says he was driving right behind the Bosma truck on Trinity Road North. There was no car between them.
by Adam Carter 10:14 AM

Smich says they don't come back south on Trinity Road.
by Adam Carter 10:14 AM

Smich says they "took side roads," and he's not "familiar with the area."
by Adam Carter 10:15 AM
 
molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 5m5 minutes ago
Sachak suggests if that at a normal speed it would really only take 30 secs to drive there. Smich isn't sure but agrees it's close. #Bosma

Adam Carter ‏@AdamCarterCBC 5m5 minutes ago
Sachak says that drive would only take about 30 seconds. Smich says he doesn't know an exact time. #TimBosma #Bosma

Colin Butler ‏@ColinButlerCBC 6m6 minutes ago
Smich says "it's really close sir. I'm not sure of the exact time." #TimBosma

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 5m5 minutes ago
Sachak asking Smich about what the truck did when it stopped at the field where Yukon was parked. Smich says Millard did a U-turn. #Bosma

Lisa Hepfner ‏@HefCHCHNews 6m6 minutes ago
Smich got dropped off on Book Rd at the dirt road, then Millard did a u-turn in the #Bosma truck, Sachak has Smich agree.

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 6m6 minutes ago
(So now the trucks headlights are facing west on Book Rd). #Bosma

Alex Pierson ‏@AlexpiersonAMP 5m5 minutes ago
Smich agrees millard dropped him off entrance of sandy driveway on Book rd. Does u turn and faces back east. @AM900CHML

Adam Carter ‏@AdamCarterCBC 5m5 minutes ago
After Smich was dropped off, Millard pulled U-turn, Sachak says. At the end of it his headlights were facing west. #TimBosma #Bosma

Colin Butler ‏@ColinButlerCBC 6m6 minutes ago
Sachak says Smich was dropped off and Millard did a u-turn and drove west. Smich followed both men in the truck in Millard's SUV. #TimBosma

Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 6m6 minutes ago
Smich, driving Yukon, follows Millard and Tim in #Bosma truck.

Adam Carter ‏@AdamCarterCBC 5m5 minutes ago
Smich then followed behind them in the SUV. #TimBosma #Bosma

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 5m5 minutes ago
And Smich says he pulls out of laneway, making a left (westbound) onto Book Rd and follows. #Bosma

Lisa Hepfner ‏@HefCHCHNews 6m6 minutes ago
Smich then follows Millard and #Bosma in the Yukon, which was already facing Book Rd. Turns left to follow, & they go north on Trinity Rd

Adam Carter ‏@AdamCarterCBC 6m6 minutes ago
Then Millard drove onto Trinity Road, Smich agrees. They drove north. #TimBosma #Bosma

Alex Pierson ‏@AlexpiersonAMP 5m5 minutes ago
Smich follows him out. east on book rd. North on Trinity rd. Super sucker is 2 km from there. @AM900CHML
 
Sachak says that the drive from Book Road and Trinity Road to where they were seen on video at Supersucker would be under a minute. Smich says he doesn't recall the speed or exact time.
by Adam Carter 10:17 AM

"I don't know what the speeds of the roads are," Smich says.
by Adam Carter 10:18 AM

They were also caught on video near Bobcat of Brantford, which is about 19 minutes away.
by Adam Carter 10:18 AM
 
"That's the area where you get out of the car ... and you see a gun in [Millard's] hand, right?" Sachak says. Smich says yes, he placed it into a satchel.
by Adam Carter 10:19 AM

Smich says he will "not agree 100%" that they came back towards the Bosma residence.
by Adam Carter 10:20 AM

Sachak again asks if he has any recollection of coming back south towards the Bosma residence. Smich says he doesn't recall.
by Adam Carter 10:21 AM
 
molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 6m6 minutes ago
Both vehicles then make a right on Trinity Rd. First the truck (driven by Millard), with Smich driving Yukon behind. #Bosma

Lisa Hepfner ‏@HefCHCHNews 6m6 minutes ago
As they drive north they pass Super Sucker, where surveillance video shows the vehicles after 9pm. It's about 2km from #Bosma home

Colin Butler ‏@ColinButlerCBC 5m5 minutes ago
They turned left and went north past Supersucker, where both vehicles were captured travelling in tandem on a security video. #TimBosma

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 5m5 minutes ago
SuperSuckers (where video surveillance was captured) is about 2 km from this intersection. #Bosma

Adam Carter ‏@AdamCarterCBC 5m5 minutes ago
Sachak says the location where they were caught on video near Supersucker Inc. is about 2 km away. #TimBosma #Bosma

Colin Butler ‏@ColinButlerCBC 5m5 minutes ago
Smich says he doesn't know the speed they were traveling. #TimBosma

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 5m5 minutes ago
Smich says he would've been following directly behind the truck. "I wouldn't say I was right behind them but I wasn't that far away either."

Alex Pierson ‏@AlexpiersonAMP 5m5 minutes ago
Time lines are very important to determine truth in smichs story. @AM900CHML

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 5m5 minutes ago
Sachak clarifies there was no other vehicle between them. Smich agrees. #Bosma

Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 5m5 minutes ago
Smich followed directly behind. No car between Yukon and #Bosma truck.

Adam Carter ‏@AdamCarterCBC 5m5 minutes ago
Smich says he was driving right behind the Bosma truck on Trinity Road North. There was no car between them. #TimBosma #Bosma

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 5m5 minutes ago
So they're going north on Trinity Rd, Sachak suggests, and they never come back south. Smich agrees. #Bosma

Colin Butler ‏@ColinButlerCBC 5m5 minutes ago
Smich agrees there were no other cars between the #Bosma truck and Millard's SUV, which he was driving.

Adam Carter ‏@AdamCarterCBC 5m5 minutes ago
Smich says they don't come back south on Trinity Road. #TimBosma #Bosma

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 5m5 minutes ago
"So once you leave...going north on that road, you never return in the vicinity of SuperSuckers again?" Sachak asks. Smich agrees. #Bosma

Lisa Hepfner ‏@HefCHCHNews 5m5 minutes ago
They took side roads from there, Smich says.

Adam Carter ‏@AdamCarterCBC 5m5 minutes ago
Smich says they "took side roads," and he's not "familiar with the area." #TimBosma #Bosma

Colin Butler ‏@ColinButlerCBC 5m5 minutes ago
Smich agrees he never returned south past Supersucker. #TimBosma

Alex Pierson ‏@AlexpiersonAMP 5m5 minutes ago
Sachak' your evidence -once u leave u never return past super sucker vicinity? Smich agrees. @AM900CHML

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 5m5 minutes ago
Smich says they took side roads. Sachak asks if Millard would've come back by there. Smich says he's not sure, not familiar with the area.

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 5m5 minutes ago
Sachak says SuperSuckers video is only about 30 secs away from the intersection where Yukon was parked. Smich says he's not sure. #Bosma

Colin Butler ‏@ColinButlerCBC 5m5 minutes ago
Sachak suggests the U-turn was done in Brantford near the bobcat dealership. #TimBosma

Alex Pierson ‏@AlexpiersonAMP 5m5 minutes ago
Sachak also points out smich also suggests Millard never returns to vicinity. @AM900CHML

Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 5m5 minutes ago
The U-turn was nowhere near the Super Sucker? Smich not sure because he's not familiar with the area. Says there was a U-turn somewhere.

Colin Butler ‏@ColinButlerCBC 5m5 minutes ago
Smich says he's not sure, he just followed the pickup truck. #TimBosma

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 5m5 minutes ago
Sachak says ok well it's not more than a minute. Smich says it'd depend on variables like speed etc. #Bosma

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 5m5 minutes ago
Smich says he can't remember how fast he was going. Sachak suggests he wasn't in a "drag race" and also wasn't driving at a "crawl." #Bosma

Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 4m4 minutes ago
Smich says he doesn't recall how fast they were driving. #Bosma

Lisa Hepfner ‏@HefCHCHNews 5m5 minutes ago
They weren't driving very fast, or very slow, Smich agrees. "There is traffic, sir, but I don't recall the speed."

Adam Carter ‏@AdamCarterCBC 5m5 minutes ago
Sachak says that the drive from Book Road and Trinity Road to where they were seen on video at Supersucker would be under a minute. #Bosma

 
"All I remember is following Mr. Millard," Smich says.
by Adam Carter 10:21 AM

Sachak says Smich has been able to review the Plaxton report of video evidence we've already seen in court.
by Adam Carter 10:22 AM

Sachak says Smich has "had the benefit" of reviewing that report before he testified.
by Adam Carter 10:23 AM
 
Sachak also says Smich has "had the benefit" of watching Plaxton testify. Smich says that's correct.
by Adam Carter 10:24 AM

Sachak says what Plaxton testified would confirm Smich's version of events.
by Adam Carter 10:24 AM

"According to your evidence that's you and not Mr. Millard in the GMC Yukon," Sachak says. Smich says that's "absolutely correct."
by Adam Carter 10:26 AM

Sachak says no lawyer said to Plaxton that he was wrong or mistaken when he said the trucks seen on video "share the characteristics" of the Bosma truck and Millard's Yukon.
by Adam Carter 10:28 AM
 
Adam Carter ‏@AdamCarterCBC 5m5 minutes ago
Smich says he doesn't recall the speed or exact time. #Bosma

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 5m5 minutes ago
Smich says he can't for sure, he was following at the speed that the truck was going in front of him. #Bosma

Lisa Hepfner ‏@HefCHCHNews 5m5 minutes ago
"I was following at the speed that he was going," Smich says. He was following Millard and #TimBosma in the truck.

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 5m5 minutes ago
Sachak says they keep going north on Trinity and then onto some other roads. Smich again says he's not familiar with the area at all.

Adam Carter ‏@AdamCarterCBC 5m5 minutes ago
"I don't know what the speeds of the roads are," Smich says. #TimBosma #Bosma

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 5m5 minutes ago
He says he knows they did do a U-turn and that he just followed Millard. "We took side roads, that's all I remember." #Bosma

Lisa Hepfner ‏@HefCHCHNews 5m5 minutes ago
"I just followed Millard. He knows the area. I don't," Smich says.

Adam Carter ‏@AdamCarterCBC 5m5 minutes ago
They were also caught on video near Bobcat of Brantford, which is about 19 minutes away. #TimBosma #Bosma

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 5m5 minutes ago
Sachak suggests they did a U-turn by Bobcat of Brantford (not SuperSuckers) which is about 19 mins away. Smich agrees. #Bosma

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 5m5 minutes ago
This, Sachak says, is where Smich has said he saw Millard putting a gun in his satchel. He agrees. #Bosma

Adam Carter ‏@AdamCarterCBC 5m5 minutes ago
"That's the area where you get out of the car ... and you see a gun in [Millard's] hand, right?" Sachak says. #TimBosma #Bosma

Colin Butler ‏@ColinButlerCBC 5m5 minutes ago
Sachak suggest the u-turn didn't happen near Supersucker, but rather the bobcat dealership in Brantford 19 minutes away from #Bosma home.

Lisa Hepfner ‏@HefCHCHNews 5m5 minutes ago
At Bobcat of Brantford there is a U-turn, when Millard got out of the truck and put a gun in his satchel, according to Smich

Adam Carter ‏@AdamCarterCBC 5m5 minutes ago
Smich says yes, he placed it into a satchel. #TimBosma #Bosma

Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 5m5 minutes ago
You never come back close to the #Bosma residence again that night? "I don't agree with that 100%. I followed Mr. Millard," says Smich.

Colin Butler ‏@ColinButlerCBC 4m4 minutes ago
The bobcat dealership is where Smich recalls seeing Millard slip a gun in his satchel. #TimBosma

Adam Carter ‏@AdamCarterCBC 4m4 minutes ago
Smich says he will "not agree 100%" that they came back towards the Bosma residence. #TimBosma #Bosma

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 5m5 minutes ago
Sachak suggests that they never came back near the #Bosma residence. Smich says he was terrified and just followed.

Alex Pierson ‏@AlexpiersonAMP 5m5 minutes ago
Sachak" points out it's at the bob cat dealership in Brantford that he gets out of yukon. Millard gets out and he sees the gun.@AM900CHML

Lisa Hepfner ‏@HefCHCHNews 4m4 minutes ago
That's nowhere near SuperSuckers. Sachak is asking about a U-turn back toward the field on Book Rd. #TimBosma

Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 5m5 minutes ago
"At that time I was terrified," says Smich. This is BEFORE #Bosma was shot.

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 5m5 minutes ago
Smich says his recollection is following Mr. Millard, who was in the #Bosma vehicle, in the Yukon. #Bosma

Colin Butler ‏@ColinButlerCBC 5m5 minutes ago
"I was terrified then" Smich says. "I don't remember. My recollection is following Mr Millard." #Bosma

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 5m5 minutes ago
Sachak asks again if they came back to that field area. If he followed Millard south on Trinity toward the field. Smich doesn't remember.

Adam Carter ‏@AdamCarterCBC 5m5 minutes ago
Sachak again asks if he has any recollection of coming back south towards the Bosma residence. Smich says he doesn't recall #TimBosma #Bosma

Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 5m5 minutes ago
Do you recall driving south on Trinity Road toward the field? Smich says he doesn't recall. He was just following Millard. #Bosma

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 5m5 minutes ago
"All I remember is following Mr. Millard," Smich says. #Bosma

Adam Carter ‏@AdamCarterCBC 5m5 minutes ago
"All I remember is following Mr. Millard," Smich says. #TimBosma #Bosma

Lisa Hepfner ‏@HefCHCHNews 5m5 minutes ago
"I just remember following," Smich says. He doesn't know which direction or where they went. Sachak conferring with co-counsel now

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 5m5 minutes ago
Sachak says he's had 3 years to think back about what "really went down." Smich agrees. #Bosma

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 5m5 minutes ago
"Sir it's something you can't really get out of your head after that," Smich says. #Bosma

Lisa Hepfner ‏@HefCHCHNews 6m6 minutes ago
He's had 3 years to think about what really went down, Sachak says. "It's not something you can get out of your head," Smich agrees

Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 5m5 minutes ago
"You've had 3 years to think back to what happened near the Bosma residence?"
"Sir, it's something you can't really get out of your head."

Alex Pierson ‏@AlexpiersonAMP 5m5 minutes ago
Sachak trying repeatedly to get smich to explain events. Smich was too terrified. He just followed millard. @AM900CHML

Adam Carter ‏@AdamCarterCBC 5m5 minutes ago
Sachak says Smich has been able to review the Plaxton report of video evidence we've already seen in court. #TimBosma #Bosma
 
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