Bosma Murder Trial 05.20.16 - Day 53

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Tim Bosma trial: 5th day of cross-examination for Mark Smich

CBC News Posted: May 20 2016




Mark Smich returns to the witness box for a fifth day of cross-examination in a Hamilton courtroom today, as the trial of the two men accused of killing Tim Bosma continues.

On Thursday, the lawyer for accused murderer Dellen Millard told the jury what he believes happened the night the Bosma died after taking two men on a test drive of a pickup. He said that Smich pulled the trigger, that Smich was the killer.

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Jug Up said:

Hmmmm. Maybe even "3 or 4 minutes."

In a roundabout way, I said this exact thing yesterday about the timestamps. There is a reason that you can manually change the time on almost any camera.

If the Super Sucker video is three hours out, is it not conceivable that it could be three hours and five minutes out? Or, even if it wasn't three hours out, is it not VERY possible it could be five minutes out from my watch or yours?

I am not suggesting the truck in the 9:05 and 9:15 videos is TB's, but I don't think you can definitively say yes or no either way because of the time stamp on the SS video.

There is a very real possibility that the "official" times aren't official and the possibility does exist that the truck(s) went by at, say, 9:10, 9:20 and 9:25.

In other words, saying the SS video what 100% correct to the minute, and lined up exactly to the cell phone pings and call from the Bate phone at 9:05, is speculative and, some would say, even unlikely.

Does this make sense at all? LOL

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I think that's why Sachak said "never mind the times" yesterday. There are credible scenarios that involve the SS video adjustment being anywhere from 3 minutes to 10 minutes off, and any of those would work better than the 3 hours off exactly with the rest of the facts. I think that was his point, but through tweets at least I think it was argued badly. I think he should have started with the fact that it took 19 minutes from Super Sucker to the Bosma driveway if you accepted 3 hours off exactly, and that Smich did not appear (at least via Twitter) to explain that gap sufficiently. One he established that there appeared to be 'something' wrong with the timeline that way, he could then argue the additional sightings of Tim's truck as probable. Instead he seems to have tried to impeach MS by insisting that the truck HAD to be Tim's, which is clearly not either true or his strongest point.

hellkat2 said:

In my opinion a police officer would be all over the details of the carpet not matching the paint...so to speak.

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Since when does carpet and interior need to match the paint? All of my vehicles are very different from the paint.

Arnie M said:

I will now show the most correct timeline (as crown presented in court) with the two extra truck sightings removed because they simply can not Be the Bosma truck ..... maybe a neighbor with a similar truck picking up his mail at Trinity & Book Rd or something ....we dont know for sure

8:46pm .... Yukon going south on Trinity
9:05pm .... confirmed time the Bate & Bosma phones walked in Bosma yard
9:20pm .... Vehicle consistent with Bosma truck going north on Trinity followed shortly by Yukon

Now that leaves 34 minutes which seems like a long time but here is how I would rationalize it ( I wish Smitch would give us these details)

@8:46 Yukon starts down Trinity road .... they know it is the road Bosma house will be on .... likely not driving fast and checking the number posts in front of each house .... they obviously would first drive by Bosma's @8:51.... go a little farther south scouting for places to park the Yukon ..... turned around and headed north and likely glanced over at Bosma house again @8:53 ..... continued north and parked in the hayfield at Book Rd @8:57 ...... then walked down to Bosma house to be in the driveway @9:05 ...... talk with Bosma for couple minutes in driveway and leave @9:09 .... slow swervy drive north on Trinity as Dell pretends to get a text message from invisible coffee friends in Yukon ..... reach Book rd @9:12 .... drop Smitch off , get turned around on Book rd @9:15 ..... turn north on Trinity and drive past Super Sucker @9:20

It's just that simple. Thanks.

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We know two things with good certainty.
1. They started walking up the driveway at about 9:05. Cell network time must be reliable
2. The whole thing took 34 minutes (8:46-9:20) between Yukon driving on Tiniity down and then up. We don't know absolute time @ super sucker but we know relative times.

Given that they have to find the house, find where to park, walk, talk, see the truck, transfer, turn. 34 minutes is not all that much. If we take out the 10 minutes drive claimed by Sachak (again, we can use relative times), then they'd have only 24 minutes to do all that. I don't buy it. And if we consider Sachak, DM et al. opus magnum about 403, shooting, stopping at the shoulder, driving around... Then I'm not just not buying it, I'm walking away laughing.

ArianeEmory said:

Wow. I can't tell if this was genius or stupid.

Possibly just a shot at DM. "Even your dog hated you."

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Smich's testifying against his co-accused is nothing but a shot a DM. I agree...right down to even the dog hated you.

If the lighter was MS why didn't the crown enter it as evidence? No fingerprints on this either?

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Kamille said:

molly hayesVerified account ‏@mollyhayes 2m2 minutes ago
Seeing a photo of a lighter -- says Toronto Hemp Company on it -- that was seized in that field. #Bosma

molly hayesVerified account ‏@mollyhayes 2m2 minutes ago
Sachak asks if he recognizes it. Smich says no. Sachak suggests he dropped it there in his state of panic. "No sir," he says. #Bosma

Susan ClairmontVerified account ‏@susanclairmont 1m1 minute ago
Seeing photo of cigarette lighter found in field. Sachak suggests it is Smich's. Smich says no. #Bosma

Lisa Hepfner ‏@HefCHCHNews 2m2 minutes ago
Sachak says that's the lighter Smich dropped when he panicked in the field. Now looking at orange cone in grassy field.

molly hayesVerified account ‏@mollyhayes 2m2 minutes ago
Seeing another photo now, an orange cone is partially visible in a grassy field. Smich says he sees it. #Bosma

molly hayesVerified account ‏@mollyhayes 2m2 minutes ago
This is where the lighter was found, Sachak says. #Bosma

molly hayesVerified account ‏@mollyhayes 2m2 minutes ago
"I'm going to suggest at some point on May 6 either when you first got out to go to the #Bosma residence, or layer on when you came back...

molly hayesVerified account ‏@mollyhayes 2m2 minutes ago
"...to follow the truck, you dropped it there." Smich disagrees. #Bosma

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Did forensics find MS's DNA or fingerprints on the lighter? If not, I'd suggest NS drop that point as it's irrelevant.