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    Bosma Murder Trial 05.24.16 - Day 54

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    **If you would like to post tweets while court is in session, please read this thread first:
    Bosma Murder Trial Twitter Roll Call

    Reporters to follow on Twitter:

    Jacques Gallant, Toronto Star
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    Susan Clairmont, The Hamilton Spectator
    Shannon Martin, CBC Toronto News
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    Tim Bosma trial: Day 6 of cross-examination of Mark Smich
    CBC News Posted: May 24, 2016



    Co-accused Mark Smich returns to the witness box for a sixth day of cross-examination as the trial into the 2013 killing of Tim Bosma continues with Smich facing questions from a lawyer representing the Crown.

    On Friday, the lawyer for the other accused, Dellen Millard, said his client and Smich argued over Bosma's death at Millard's airplane hangar after the shooting. That allegation was one of Nadir Sachak's final points as he completed his five-day cross-examination of Smich.

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    Last edited by Coldpizza; 05-24-2016 at 09:34 AM.

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    Thanks in advance to all who are able to update with the live tweets.

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    Court is now in session. The jury is being called in. Crown Craig Fraser will begin his cross-examination.
    by Adam Carter 10:00 AM

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    "The plan that you and Dellen Millard had was to steal, was to kill, and was to burn," Fraser says. "No sir," Smich says. Fraser says that's the plan he and Millard executed with "chilling perfection."
    by Adam Carter 10:03 AM

    Fraser says it was a long time in the making, for over a year.
    by Adam Carter 10:03 AM

    "There wasn't anybody else there, Mr. Smich. It was you and Mr. Millard," Fraser says, his voice rising.
    by Adam Carter 10:04 AM

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    "Tim Bosma is dead, Tim Bosma is incinerated, and his truck is gone," Fraser says.
    by Adam Carter 10:04 AM

    This is the most forceful I've seen Fraser be with a witness so far at this trial.
    by Adam Carter 10:05 AM

    Fraser says Smich's justification for working with Millard after May 6 was fear. Smich agrees.
    by Adam Carter 10:06 AM

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    Fraser now pointing out at the end of Millard's lawyer's cross, that suggested Smich had a "conscious, deliberate mind" for certain actions.
    by Adam Carter 10:07 AM

    Fraser says he's going to show how Smich and Millard worked together to cover up the crime.
    by Adam Carter 10:07 AM

    Fraser says Smich switched the plates on Bosma's truck. Smich agrees.
    by Adam Carter 10:08 AM

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    Fraser says that Smich went down to the road at Millard's farm to make sure no one had followed. Smich agrees.
    by Adam Carter 10:08 AM

    Smich agrees it's a fact that he helped Millard hitch the eliminator to the truck. "The two of you were working together in execution of the plan," Fraser says. "No sir, that was not the plan," Smich says.
    by Adam Carter 10:10 AM

    Fraser now talking about the video of Smich and Millard walking in the hangar. He says there was no confusion in that walk -- they were "calmly going about their business." "It was a stroll," Fraser says. Smich disagrees.
    by Adam Carter 10:12 AM


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    Fraser says that Smich destroyed evidence by stripping the truck. Smich agrees he did.
    by Adam Carter 10:12 AM

    Fraser now talking about how Smich hosed down Bosma's truck.
    by Adam Carter 10:13 AM

    "That is you hosing down the very vehicle Mr. Bosma was killed in ... that's destroying evidence, right?" Fraser says. "That's correct, sir," Smich says.
    by Adam Carter 10:14 AM

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    Fraser now talking about when Smich and Millard removed the seats of Bosma's vehicle.
    by Adam Carter 10:15 AM

    "It's the two of you doing it, working together to cover up a crime," Fraser says. "Essentially, that is correct sir," Smich says.
    by Adam Carter 10:16 AM

    Fraser now mentioning when Smich and Millard took the pieces stripped from Bosma's truck and put them in the Millard's truck. "You burned it at the farm ... the two of you went to the farm and burned evidence," Fraser says. Smich again agrees that is a fact.
    by Adam Carter 10:17 AM

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    Impressed how Craig Fraser is sharply focused on both DM and MS being complicit in the theft, murder and aftermath.
    Crown has the luxury of linking DM during this cross, that DM lawyers did not have.

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    Fraser now talking about May 7. "I didn't want to be involved, I was just pretending to go along with everything," Smich says. Fraser says we've heard his "justifications and excuses."
    by Adam Carter 10:19 AM

    "You were all in, Mr. Smich. You took that Eliminator out to the barn and you stuck it there away from prying eyes," Fraser says. Smich agrees they moved it on the 7th.
    by Adam Carter 10:20 AM

    Fraser says Smich and Millard were at the hangar for two and a half hours on May 7. Smich says if that's the evidence, he agrees.
    by Adam Carter 10:21 AM

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    "The other thing that was going on at that hangar for two and a half hours is you had to clean the Eliminator," Fraser says. He says it was too hot on May 6, so they had to do it that night. Smich says no. "There were other things that were being done, I can't recall exactly," Smich says.
    by Adam Carter 10:22 AM

    "You had a whole lot of cleaning up to do with the remains of Mr. Bosma in the bottom of that Eliminator," Fraser says. "That's not what happened," Smich says.
    by Adam Carter 10:23 AM

    Smich agrees he and Millard did drop off the Eliminator at the barn that night.
    by Adam Carter 10:24 AM

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