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    Bosma Murder Trial 05.25.16 - Day 55

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    **If you would like to post tweets while court is in session, please read this thread first:
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    Susan Clairmont, The Hamilton Spectator
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    Tim Bosma trial: Mark Smich cross-examined by Crown for 2nd day
    By Adam Carter, CBC News May 25, 2016


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    Mark Smich returns today for a second day of cross-examination by a Crown lawyer who told jurors Tuesday that Smich and co-accused Dellen Millard planned to kill Hamilton resident Tim Bosma after months of planning.

    Craig Fraser also said Millard and Smich planned all along to kill Bosma so they could steal his pickup truck, and then burn the body.

    Fraser's questions Tuesday focused on pieces of evidence that suggested months of planning by the pair before Bosma's death, and on their efforts to cover it up afterward.

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    Back at the courthouse today as the Crown continues its cross-examination of Mark Smich.
    by Adam Carter 9:35 AM

    Court started at 9:30 a.m. This morning for a legal argument, with the jury expected in at 10.
    by Adam Carter 9:41 AM


    Because several people have asked me, here's the next few steps in the trial.

    The Crown expects to finish its cross today, and then Smich's lawyer Thomas Dungey will have the opportunity to re-examine his client.

    Once that's complete, Smich should finish his evidence. Dungey then has the opportunity to call other witnesses. We don't know if he will or not.

    After Dungey finishes with his defence, the Crown can call a rebuttal if the defence has raised some new matter or evidence that the Crown had no opportunity to deal with earlier in the trial.

    After that, the Crown and the defence will give closing submissions to the jury. All of the lawyers will also meet with Goodman for a two-part "pre-charge conference," where his final charge to the jury is discussed.

    Though we're closing in on the end of the trial, it's not finished just yet.

    by Adam Carter 9:52 AM

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    We're still in legal arguments here this morning. No jury yet.
    by Adam Carter 10:01 AM

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    Susan Clairmont says in a tweet that Tony Leitch will be doing the closing for the crown.

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    Lisa Hepfner ‏@HefCHCHNews 10m10 minutes ago
    Crown expected to finish his cross of Mark Smich today. Jury will be here after legal args. Story 6pm @CHCHNews & tweets all day

    Colin Butler ‏@ColinButlerCBC 3m3 minutes ago
    Jury delayed by legal arguments this morning at the #TimBosma murder trial. #Bosma

    Alex Pierson ‏@AlexpiersonAMP 2m2 minutes ago
    Legal arguments starting things off at #timbosma @AM900CHML

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    Court now in session. Jury being called in.
    by Adam Carter 10:25 AM

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    Alex Pierson ‏@AlexpiersonAMP 2m2 minutes ago
    Jury in #TimBosma

    Colin Butler ‏@ColinButlerCBC 1m1 minute ago
    Jury in. Crown will conclude its cross examination of Mark Smich today. #TimBosma

    Shannon Martin ‏@ShannonMartinTV 1m1 minute ago Toronto, Ontario
    After some legal arguments, we're back in session at #Bosma trial @CBCHamilton


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    Colin ButlerVerified account ‏@ColinButlerCBC 1m1 minute ago
    Two phones is where they left off one at 920, the other at 923. Fraser suggests it was more plan than coincidence. Smich disagrees. #Bosma

    Lisa Hepfner ‏@HefCHCHNews 50s50 seconds ago
    #Bosma jury in. Craig Fraser left off saying Millard & Smich planned to turn off cells during theft - both off within minutes of each other

    molly hayesVerified account ‏@mollyhayes 1m1 minute ago
    Fraser suggesting Tim #Bosma would've been on high alert that night (late appt, Smich's 'sketchy' appearance, story about friend & Tims etc)

    Lisa Hepfner ‏@HefCHCHNews 50s50 seconds ago
    Smich did not agree that it was a plan. They were passing Super Sucker near #Bosma home when cells turned off

    Alex Pierson ‏@AlexpiersonAMP 2m2 minutes ago
    Craig fraser is crown. Suggests to smich no coincidence both phones were powered down 923 pm may 6. @AM900CHML

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    Crown Craig Fraser now continuing his cross.
    by Adam Carter 10:27 AM

    Fraser now calling back to Sharlene Bosma's testimony about Tim Bosma's manner that night.
    by Adam Carter 10:27 AM

    Sharlene said Tim was "frustrated and upset" that night because he had left messages for the prospective buyer but hadn't heard back.
    by Adam Carter 10:28 AM

    Sharlene said Bosma was expecting the buyer there at 8 p.m. that night.
    by Adam Carter 10:29 AM

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    Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 55s55 seconds ago
    Fraser recalling Sharlene Bosma's testimony. She said Tim was "frustrated" and "upset" about buyers because they were coming so late.

    Lisa Hepfner ‏@HefCHCHNews 51s51 seconds ago
    Sharlene #Bosma testified about her husband's frustration the night of the test drive, because he hadn't heard back from the caller

    molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 45s45 seconds ago
    Fraser recalling Sharlene #Bosma's testimony about her husband's manner that night. she recalled he was "frustrated."

    Colin Butler ‏@ColinButlerCBC 1m1 minute ago
    Fraser suggests that #TimBosma was upset and frustrated that night based on what he told Sharlene.

    molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 59s60 seconds ago
    But then when he eventually heard from a buyer that night he became "excited." #Bosma

    Lisa Hepfner ‏@HefCHCHNews 51s52 seconds ago
    When the person finally did call, Sharlene testified that #TimBosma was excited. The person was coming from Toronto, expected 8pm

    Lisa Hepfner ‏@HefCHCHNews 52s52 seconds ago
    Smich says that would have been Millard arranging the test drive with #TimBosma.

    molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 1m1 minute ago
    Sharlene #Bosma said Tim was expecting the buyer to come by around 8pm. She recalled he was doing touch-ups on the truck.

    Colin Butler ‏@ColinButlerCBC 56s56 seconds ago
    She told the jury he was excited later on when the prospective buyer called back. Smich says it was Millard who was on the phone. #TimBosma

    Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 55s55 seconds ago
    Sharlene said Tim came in after getting call from buyer. Was expecting him at 8 p.m. Tim did "touch ups" of truck while waiting. #Bosma

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    "Who comes this late to see a truck?" was one of the things Bosma said to his wife that night. Also commented about it getting dark.
    by Adam Carter 10:30 AM

    Fraser says it's clear from those exchanges that Bosma was on "high alert" and was suspicious. Bosma had also said "Should I go with them?"
    by Adam Carter 10:31 AM

    Fraser asks if it's fair that Bosma felt that way. Smich's lawyers object.
    by Adam Carter 10:32 AM

    Goodman now excusing the jury for a legal argument.
    by Adam Carter 10:32 AM

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    molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 1m1 minute ago
    He wanted to sell it. They needed the money. #Bosma

    Lisa Hepfner ‏@HefCHCHNews 1m1 minute ago
    #TimBosma spent the evening cleaning the truck, ran in quickly to eat, and went back to clean more. They needed the money.

    Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 57s58 seconds ago
    Tim came in at 7:45 p.m. to eat dinner quickly. Then got daughter ready for bed. Said "Who comes this late to see a truck?"

    molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 2m2 minutes ago
    Sharlene recalled that Tim got their daughter ready for bed while she cleaned up that night. Recalled that he made "comments." #Bosma

    Lisa Hepfner ‏@HefCHCHNews 1m1 minute ago
    #TimBosma then put his 2-year-old daughter to bed and then said, "Who comes to test drive a truck at night?"

    molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 1m1 minute ago
    He made comments about it getting dark out, and about who would come to see a truck so late. #Bosma

    Lisa Hepfner ‏@HefCHCHNews 1m1 minute ago
    "When they come, should I go with them?" Tim asked Sharlene. She said, "Yes you should, because we want the truck to come back."

    molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 55s55 seconds ago
    Fraser suggests to Smich that this shows Tim #Bosma was on high alert that night.

    Lisa Hepfner ‏@HefCHCHNews 1m1 minute ago
    #Bosma family full of tears at the recollection of Sharlene's testimony. Fraser is saying it stands to reason #TimBosma was uncomfortable

    molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 1m1 minute ago
    "It stands to reason that when he leaves the driveway that night, he is not very comfortable," Fraser suggests. #Bosma

    Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 1m1 minute ago
    Fraser: "When (Tim) leaves that driveway he's not very comfortable, is he?" Dungey objects, says Smich being asked to speculate. #Bosma

    molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 49s49 seconds ago
    Dungey objects. Says Fraser is asking Smich to speculate on other people's testimony. #Bosma

    Colin Butler ‏@ColinButlerCBC 49s50 seconds ago
    Fraser suggests #TimBosma was on high alert and suspicious and he asks Smich if it was a suspicious situation. Dungey objects. Jury leaves.

    Lisa Hepfner ‏@HefCHCHNews 49s50 seconds ago
    Fraser says it was a highly suspicious situation that would put a person on high alert. Wasn't #TimBosma? Jury excused while lwyrs discuss

    Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 39s40 seconds ago
    Crown says it's reasonable for Smich to comment on that body of evidence. Not on #Bosma's thoughts. Judge interrupts and asks jury to leave.

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