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    Ohio Race Riot - One More Excuse to Trash Own Neighborhood

    Okay, let me have it with both barrels if you disagree. If the residents of this Ohio neighborhood were angry about this "organization" being in their neighbood (they they "care" about sooooo much) why did they do the damage to that neighborhood? Just one more excuse to destroy their own streets????

    Toledo mayor says neo-Nazis had right to march in neighborhood

    TOLEDO, Ohio (AP) The city's mayor says there was nothing he could do to stop a white supremacist group from marching along the sidewalks of a racially mixed neighborhood, a demonstration that triggered violence.

    A melee broke out Saturday when protesters confronted members of the National Socialist Movement who had gathered at a city park.

    "They do have a right to walk on the Toledo sidewalks," Mayor Jack Ford said Sunday.

    An angry mob, some of them gang members, threw baseball-sized rocks at police, vandalized vehicles and stores, and set fire to a neighborhood bar. More than 100 people were arrested and one officer was seriously injured.

    Much of the anger boiled over because residents were upset that city leaders allowed about a dozen white supremacists to walk through the neighborhood and shout insults.

    The march was called off after rioting started.

    "They don't have the right to bring hate to my front yard," said Terrance Anderson, who lives near the bar that was destroyed. Three other businesses were looted or damaged.

    Others said the neo-Nazis had the right to march. "Too bad the people couldn't ignore them," said Dee Huntley.

    Police arrested 114 people on charges including assault, vandalism, failure to obey police, failure to disperse and overnight curfew violations.

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    The disturbances were confined to a 1-square-mile area, police said. At one point, the crowd grew to about 600 people.

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    http://www.courttv.com/news/2005/101...ration_ap.html

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    I'm not going to disagree with you. Actually it doesn't take a legal march to start a riot. Several incidents in Miami during the late 80's caused riots. It took one white cop to stop one black man on a traffic violation and it turned into a riot. Not once but several times that summer. As you say the riots and looting were in their own neighborhood. Looting, burning, dragging innocent people passing through out of their cars and burning them after beating the motorists. It's senseless and certainly doesn't promote any legitimate complaint or cause.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BarnGoddess
    I'm not going to disagree with you. Actually it doesn't take a legal march to start a riot. Several incidents in Miami during the late 80's caused riots. It took one white cop to stop one black man on a traffic violation and it turned into a riot. Not once but several times that summer. As you say the riots and looting were in their own neighborhood. Looting, burning, dragging innocent people passing through out of their cars and burning them after beating the motorists. It's senseless and certainly doesn't promote any legitimate complaint or cause.
    It certainly doesn't instill respect when the whole world can see them acting out on TV. I can understand the anger, but not the actions in response to the anger.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeana (DP)
    Okay, let me have it with both barrels if you disagree. If the residents of this Ohio neighborhood were angry about this "organization" being in their neighbood (they they "care" about sooooo much) why did they do the damage to that neighborhood? Just one more excuse to destroy their own streets????

    Toledo mayor says neo-Nazis had right to march in neighborhood

    TOLEDO, Ohio (AP) The city's mayor says there was nothing he could do to stop a white supremacist group from marching along the sidewalks of a racially mixed neighborhood, a demonstration that triggered violence.

    A melee broke out Saturday when protesters confronted members of the National Socialist Movement who had gathered at a city park.

    "They do have a right to walk on the Toledo sidewalks," Mayor Jack Ford said Sunday.

    An angry mob, some of them gang members, threw baseball-sized rocks at police, vandalized vehicles and stores, and set fire to a neighborhood bar. More than 100 people were arrested and one officer was seriously injured.

    Much of the anger boiled over because residents were upset that city leaders allowed about a dozen white supremacists to walk through the neighborhood and shout insults.

    The march was called off after rioting started.

    "They don't have the right to bring hate to my front yard," said Terrance Anderson, who lives near the bar that was destroyed. Three other businesses were looted or damaged.

    Others said the neo-Nazis had the right to march. "Too bad the people couldn't ignore them," said Dee Huntley.

    Police arrested 114 people on charges including assault, vandalism, failure to obey police, failure to disperse and overnight curfew violations.

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    The disturbances were confined to a 1-square-mile area, police said. At one point, the crowd grew to about 600 people.

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    http://www.courttv.com/news/2005/101...ration_ap.html
    Jeana,

    What will happen when the Neo-nazis return and they say they will. This time they will not get a permit. The plan to use the public sidewalks. On another forum, it was even suggested that the city should apologize to the Neo-Nazis for not allowing their protest/demonstration to continue. Sheesh! I believe in freedom of speech, but knowingly inciting a riot is something different.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SewingDeb
    Jeana,

    What will happen when the Neo-nazis return and they say they will. This time they will not get a permit. The plan to use the public sidewalks. On another forum, it was even suggested that the city should apologize to the Neo-Nazis for not allowing their protest/demonstration to continue. Sheesh! I believe in freedom of speech, but knowingly inciting a riot is something different.

    Well, its not like neo nazis have anything else to do these days. If they don't have a permit, I guess the city would have to step in if it got to the level that one would be permitted. I'm not saying that the residents didn't have cause to be extremely angry. I just don't see what burning/looting/hurting your own neighborhood does to further their position. They're not hurting anyone but themselves and their friends and local businesses.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeana (DP)
    Well, its not like neo nazis have anything else to do these days. If they don't have a permit, I guess the city would have to step in if it got to the level that one would be permitted. I'm not saying that the residents didn't have cause to be extremely angry. I just don't see what burning/looting/hurting your own neighborhood does to further their position. They're not hurting anyone but themselves and their friends and local businesses.
    Reacting to an unpleasant situation like psychotic 2 year olds doesn't exactly make a point in your favor. And the criminal element seems to have no problem ataching itself to the political-minded people, thereby giving them an excuse for what they call "protest", but everyone else views as looting a liquor store and/or pawn shop.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BillyGoatGruff
    Reacting to an unpleasant situation like psychotic 2 year olds doesn't exactly make a point in your favor. And the criminal element seems to have no problem ataching itself to the political-minded people, thereby giving them an excuse for what they call "protest", but everyone else views as looting a liquor store and/or pawn shop.

    Sad but true.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SewingDeb
    Jeana,

    What will happen when the Neo-nazis return and they say they will. This time they will not get a permit. The plan to use the public sidewalks. On another forum, it was even suggested that the city should apologize to the Neo-Nazis for not allowing their protest/demonstration to continue. Sheesh! I believe in freedom of speech, but knowingly inciting a riot is something different.
    The rioters are at fault for their own actions. I've seen loud, angry, determined opposition to some idiots putting forth an insulting and infuriatingly wrongheaded position, without the violence, without the looting, without the destruction.

    Freedom of speech is especially for those things that make people angry. Once upon a time it was people like us making a bunch of people with similar beliefs to the neo-nazi's angry - during the civil rights movement. The idea that blacks should have equal rights was just as insulting and horrifying and demeaning to the racists. Free speech has to include the insulting, radical ideas, because today's radical is tomorrow's common sense. That's not to say the Neo-nazi's have any such good point, but censoring them when a community doesn't want to hear it means you have to allow other unpopular groups to be censored - and that means no civil rights marches anywhere that wants to discriminate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeana (DP)
    Well, its not like neo nazis have anything else to do these days. If they don't have a permit, I guess the city would have to step in if it got to the level that one would be permitted. I'm not saying that the residents didn't have cause to be extremely angry. I just don't see what burning/looting/hurting your own neighborhood does to further their position. They're not hurting anyone but themselves and their friends and local businesses.

    I have seen a lot of riots on the news over the years and always wondered about why they do these things in their own neighborhood.

    My father (Commanding officer of the local National Guard reserve unit) and brother (Private 1st class, Army Reserve and only 18 years old) were called in during the race riots in Greensboro in 1969 (I believe that was the year) and I worried myself sick about them.

    They were gone all night and the next day, the city was under curfew and shots could be heard all night long. When they returned home they told us how the people were shooting each other, looting and burning in their own neighborhood. All the violence was against their neighbors. I have never understood that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Details
    The rioters are at fault for their own actions. I've seen loud, angry, determined opposition to some idiots putting forth an insulting and infuriatingly wrongheaded position, without the violence, without the looting, without the destruction.

    Freedom of speech is especially for those things that make people angry. Once upon a time it was people like us making a bunch of people with similar beliefs to the neo-nazi's angry - during the civil rights movement. The idea that blacks should have equal rights was just as insulting and horrifying and demeaning to the racists. Free speech has to include the insulting, radical ideas, because today's radical is tomorrow's common sense. That's not to say the Neo-nazi's have any such good point, but censoring them when a community doesn't want to hear it means you have to allow other unpopular groups to be censored - and that means no civil rights marches anywhere that wants to discriminate.
    I can understand their right to speech....do you think they are owed an apology by the city?


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    Quote Originally Posted by SewingDeb
    I have seen a lot of riots on the news over the years and always wondered about why they do these things in their own neighborhood.

    My father (Commanding officer of the local National Guard reserve unit) and brother (Private 1st class, Army Reserve and only 18 years old) were called in during the race riots in Greensboro in 1969 (I believe that was the year) and I worried myself sick about them.

    They were gone all night and the next day, the city was under curfew and shots could be heard all night long. When they returned home they told us how the people were shooting each other, looting and burning in their own neighborhood. All the violence was against their neighbors. I have never understood that.

    Its scarey chit!!! A friend of mine worked on Rodeo Drive during the Rodney King riots. She said they went up on top of the roof because they were worried that people would begin to loot the store. She said it looked like the whole city was burning. I would think if you were the "minority" of the group in the area, it would be just about the scariest thing that could happen to someone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SewingDeb
    I have seen a lot of riots on the news over the years and always wondered about why they do these things in their own neighborhood.

    My father (Commanding officer of the local National Guard reserve unit) and brother (Private 1st class, Army Reserve and only 18 years old) were called in during the race riots in Greensboro in 1969 (I believe that was the year) and I worried myself sick about them.

    They were gone all night and the next day, the city was under curfew and shots could be heard all night long. When they returned home they told us how the people were shooting each other, looting and burning in their own neighborhood. All the violence was against their neighbors. I have never understood that.
    A friend of mine once commented that the poor of America will never make themselves a force to be reckoned with if they persist in rioting in their own neighborhoods. Then again, for many of these people, this is the only world they're familiar with/comfortable in, no matter how much they say they hate it, so it might be a variation of the same mentality that keeps certain suburbanites from ever setting foot inside the city limits.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeana (DP)
    Its scarey chit!!! A friend of mine worked on Rodeo Drive during the Rodney King riots. She said they went up on top of the roof because they were worried that people would begin to loot the store. She said it looked like the whole city was burning. I would think if you were the "minority" of the group in the area, it would be just about the scariest thing that could happen to someone.
    Jeana, the 1992 Los Angeles Riot/aka:Rodney King Riot didn't take place anywhere near Rodeo Drive, it happened in South Central area of L.A., not far from where the 1965 Watts Riot broke out. I know that area well, unfortunately I lived in that area growing up prior to High School.

    Rodeo Drive is in Beverly Hills (Century City) area of Los Angeles

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tom'sGirl
    Jeana, the 1992 Los Angeles Riot/aka:Rodney King Riot didn't take place anywhere near Rodeo Drive, it happened in South Central area of L.A., not far from where the 1965 Watts Riot broke out. I know that area well, unfortunately I lived in that area growing up prior to High School.

    Rodeo Drive is in Beverly Hills (Century City) area of Los Angeles

    I said they sat on the roof and watched the fires. . . Didn't say they were in the riot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SewingDeb
    I can understand their right to speech....do you think they are owed an apology by the city?
    Nope - the opposition has a right to their free speech too. Although maybe; if the police let physical violence happen - you should be able to go anywhere without being attacked physically, and the police should prevent it as much as they can. But if the police were too overwhelmed, I don't see that as the city's fault - it'd be the rioter's fault.

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