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    Quote Originally Posted by Frigga View Post
    I was repeating what either Anne Lisa or MAG said in their interview that Teresa didn't want to get rid of Mark (something to that effect) because she'd have to pay someone else $80,000.00. I would imagine the office manager of a medical preactice- also with a nursing license would make a bit more than average.
    I have no experience with office management but I imagine you're right, Frigga. The office manager at my OBGYN office showed me how to inject insulin when I was pregnant, because no one else was around that day and she is a nurse.

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    Does an office manager have to be a nurse? In the amounts of what people make, a nurse makes $25 an hour. That is hardly $80,000 a year. And he was an LPN which is a lot less of schooling than an RN.

    I imagine there must have been a lot of tax benefits for them to have him hired at $80,000 a year.

    It seems like they liked to do different tax angles. Even the girls had a nonprofit corporation, And they had seceral businesses.

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    Quote Originally Posted by human View Post
    Does an office manager have to be a nurse? In the amounts of what people make, a nurse makes $25 an hour. That is hardly $80,000 a year. And he was an LPN which is a lot less of schooling than an RN.

    I imagine there must have been a lot of tax benefits for them to have him hired at $80,000 a year.

    It seems like they liked to do different tax angles. Even the girls had a nonprofit corporation, And they had seceral businesses.
    A nurse only makes $25 an hour? Seems a bit low. My late sister was a respiratory therapist and I think she made at least that if not more when she retired a few years ago.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RANCH View Post
    A nurse only makes $25 an hour? Seems a bit low. My late sister was a respiratory therapist and I think she made at least that if not more when she retired a few years ago.
    I posted a link to Florida wages. They are really low. Right to work.

    Here is the link. Don't know how accurate. I know in MN , nurses make far more.

    http://www.payscale.com/research/US/...da/Hourly_Rate

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    Quote Originally Posted by human View Post
    I posted a link to Florida wages. They are really low. Right to work.

    Here is the link. Don't know how accurate. I know in MN , nurses make far more.

    http://www.payscale.com/research/US/...da/Hourly_Rate
    I'm not so sure how accurate that figure is after a quick google search. JMO

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    Quote Originally Posted by human View Post
    Does an office manager have to be a nurse? In the amounts of what people make, a nurse makes $25 an hour. That is hardly $80,000 a year. And he was an LPN which is a lot less of schooling than an RN.

    I imagine there must have been a lot of tax benefits for them to have him hired at $80,000 a year.

    It seems like they liked to do different tax angles. Even the girls had a nonprofit corporation, And they had seceral businesses.
    That part gets me, he may have a nurse license, but if he wasn't there during patient hours to BE a nurse... he being a nurse.
    ...Detective Owens said the driver is not a suspect in the case...
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    Quote Originally Posted by FelicityLemon View Post
    That part gets me, he may have a nurse license, but if he wasn't there during patient hours to BE a nurse... he being a nurse.
    In a family business does it matter if the family member deserves the pay being made if everyone agrees to the wage?

    Also, if the person being paid is a spouse then the pay would be part of the household income and not just Mark's income. I'm not a tax expert so I may be seeing this wrong. JMO

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    Quote Originally Posted by human View Post
    Does an office manager have to be a nurse? In the amounts of what people make, a nurse makes $25 an hour. That is hardly $80,000 a year. And he was an LPN which is a lot less of schooling than an RN.

    I imagine there must have been a lot of tax benefits for them to have him hired at $80,000 a year.

    It seems like they liked to do different tax angles. Even the girls had a nonprofit corporation, And they had seceral businesses.
    So MS paid himself the $30,000 as an office manager plus $50,000 that an RN makes, for $80,000/year. Creative...but not very.
    If you're lucky enough to be at the beach, you're lucky enough.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RANCH View Post
    In a family business does it matter if the family member deserves the pay being made if everyone agrees to the wage?

    Also, if the person being paid is a spouse then the pay would be part of the household income and not just Mark's income. I'm not a tax expert so I may be seeing this wrong. JMO
    If you're asking a specific legal question, I'm not the one to answer. I'm speaking only to TS' practice and if her husband/murderer was really doing all he could to help the family income - but it was HER business - and my answer is obnoxiously NO. He screwed her into the ground financially. There's also a difference between income from a paycheck vs income from the business.

    People can do whatever they want with their money as long as as you give what's due to the IRS. . If she wanted to pay him 200k she could (if she could), but, you're right there are tax ramifications either way and that's why they should have had a REAL tax professional taking care of it. He controlled ALL the money and pinched it out to her as needed.

    The word "deserves" is a loaded word I don't believe she had a choice, he obviously convinced her to do what he wanted. We already know he lied to her about so many things, I can easily believe he lied to her about tax issues of him getting overblown paycheck vs market rate and investing the difference in the running of the business. It's a circle.

    I have no problem with people getting paid for the work they do, but his first interest was in himself and not in her business. Well, his interest in how well his wife did was only as far as it benefited him personally.

    In many family businesses the families actually work together toward a common goal! Not MS. Yes, there are tax issues involved and many times, the spouse opts to take a lower paycheck if any in order to facilitate the success of the business. Mark's ego was more important than a healthy business model. He robbed Peter to pay NOT Paul and in the end, he screwed everyone including his children. Mortgaging and remortgaging multiple properties while still having to pay off student loan debt of $80,000, owing the IRS back taxes plus penalties, plus interest, plus a lifestyle beyond their means on top of that. She NEVER would have lived like that if she knew the full extent of is larceny.

    "They" didn't make enough money for all the wheeling and dealing he was trying to do. He wasn't doing it right, lol. Not that it's ever right to do the wrong thing, but he even screwed that up.
    He had a super sweet deal and they could have been a formidable couple had he an ounce of character.
    ...Detective Owens said the driver is not a suspect in the case...
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    Since he was the "office manager " and handled the books, he could have set his own pay scale but one good reason I can think of to pay a higher salary for a family member in the business is to have ability to sock away more 401k or IRA money. That may have been advice from their tax or financial advisor when they set up the business.


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    They would pay a lot more in payroll taxes with MS drawing such a high salary.

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    As someone in the healthcare industry, LPNs for a doctor's office make less than $18 an hour in this are of FL and an RN makes no more the $23-25 an hour. Office manager salaries are between $35-45k a year. It is very rare for an office manager to be a nurse here unless it's an LPN. Most doctor offices don't hire RNs. RNs in a hospital earn between $20-23/hr., LPNs between $14-18. It's really sad what FL pays in all professions but more than 1/2 the hospitals in the state are owned by just 1-3 companies.

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    In. 2013, the average nurse in Mn made $75,000.

    MS was an LPN, waaaaaaaaaaaaaaay less education than an RN. And there is a difference between an RN with a two year degree and one with a four year degree.
    http://www.nursegroups.com/salaries/RN/MN

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    If MS was drawing 80k a year, TS must have been drawing more as the DR. in the business. (?)

    They should not have had any financial problems with such a profitable business.

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    I would think the of 80,000 is not all wages. The expense of an employee includes pay, unemployment insurance on employee, social security taxes (I am not sure of correct name) workman's comp insurance, benefits including health insurance, 401k contributions and such.
    I don't know what all the expenses there are to an employer, but when wages are talked about at my work our employer reminds us that each part-time employee cost them over 1,000 per month over and above wages.
    My guess is the pay is much less than 80,000, TS was including the total cost of hiring an employee.

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