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    WA - Spokane, WhtMale, 50-70, In River-"Next Please" Logo TShirt, Jun'16 Donald Nyden

    The Spokane MedEx office asked me to do a recon of this John Doe found in the Spokane River last week.

    The Associated Press

    SPOKANE, WASH.

    Spokane police are investigating after a body was recovered from the Spokane River.

    The Spokesman-Review reports ( http://bit.ly/1t2BXmB ) that the man's body was found Saturday lodged in a downed tree.

    Police spokeswoman Officer Teresa Fuller says the man may have been in the river for some time. His identity will be released by the medical examiner after an autopsy has been completed.

    Read more here: http://www.bellinghamherald.com/news...#storylink=cpy
    Although the article seems to imply that his identity is known, he in fact is still unidentified.

    This was a tough reconstruction, as he had been in the water for quite some time. I show him as bald headed, but his hair might have been sloughed off in the water. Much of his beard remained intact. I decided it was preferable to depict him bald headed rather than to guess a hairstyle.




    His particulars are as follows:
    * White Male
    * Date of Discovery: June 4, 2016
    * Postmortem Interval: Weeks
    * Age: between 50 and 70
    * Height: 71 inches (5 feet 11 inches)
    * Weight: 147 pounds.
    * Tattoos: The name "JUDY" on his left shoulder.
    * Dentals: Edentulous (toothless prior to death)
    * Head Hair: Unknown
    * Facial Hair: Long grey un-trimmed beard.
    * Clothing: Yellow polo shirt over beige tee shirt. Tee shirt bears a logo depicting a shaving cream brush and a mug full of shaving cream with the words "Next Please ..." above. Wrangler blue jeans (size 36 x 34) with an orange belt. Black Sketchers shoes (U.S. Men's Size 10).
    * Accessories: A black Coreflex XL knee brace on the right leg. Keychain clip with small plastic flashlight attached.
    Last edited by CarlK90245; 06-08-2016 at 11:43 PM.

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    The only thing I can find on the name "Next Please" associated with a bar or eating establishment is the "Next Please Cafe" in Vientiane Laos.

    https://www.facebook.com/nextpleasecafe/?fref=photo

    I've been to Vientiane Laos, but never to the Next Please Cafe. LOL.
    Last edited by CarlK90245; 06-08-2016 at 09:05 PM.

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    Love the recon, Carl. Surprised they asked you to do one so soon! I live a couple hours from Spokane. Wonder if anyone I know knows this guy. I can maybe put up fliers if he isn't ID'd soon, but he seems like an easy ID.
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    Was he too decomposed to determine eye color?

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    Huh. He looks like a guy my brother and I used to know, only 20 years older. I mean exactly like him. Sending email to brother to find out if old friend is still alive.
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    Quote Originally Posted by creepedout View Post
    Was he too decomposed to determine eye color?
    His eyes looked dark. Probably brown or hazel, but that is not definite.

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    Looking again at the logo on his shirt. It isn't a beer stein as I had previously stated. It looks like a shaving cream brush and a cup full of old-style shaving cream.

    Next Please.jpg

    I updated the description accordingly in the lead post.

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    Here's a new article with my drawing.

    http://www.myfoxspokane.com/spokane-...spokane-river/

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    Great reconstruction CarlK. With the 5'11" and 147 lbs he was pretty thin. That combined with the shaggy beard and no teeth, makes me think he could have been living on the streets. Was he wearing socks and underwear? The layering of the t-shirt and polo shirt could also indicate that he was homeless. Were his clothes the right size for his height and weight? The XL polo shirt and jeans with a 36 waste seem large for his weight. What condition were the clothes, besides the fact that they were in the water for several weeks? Were they old or new jeans? What's up with the orange belt? Seems like an odd color choice. Do 60 or 70 year old men typically wear Sketchers?

    A more general question, can they tell from corpse if a person has worn dentures? Could he have been wearing dentures prior to going into the water? If so, did they search the area to see if they could find them?

    Did they give a cause of death?
    Last edited by ClaireNC; 06-08-2016 at 10:03 PM.
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    A bit of Googling has turned up the information that "Next Please" is the standard barbershop tag line.

    I find it immensely ironic that a man who clearly hasn't been to a barbershop in years is wearing a shaving mug logo shirt. I wonder if there's a clue there?
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    Quote Originally Posted by ClaireNC View Post
    Great reconstruction CarlK. With the 5'11" and 147 lbs he was pretty thin. That combined with the shaggy beard and no teeth, makes me think he could have been living on the streets. Was he wearing socks and underwear? The layering of the t-shirt and polo shirt could also indicate that he was homeless. Were his clothes the right size for his height and weight? The XL polo shirt and jeans with a 36 waste seem large for his weight. What condition were the clothes, besides the fact that they were in the water for several weeks? Were they old or new jeans? What's up with the orange belt? Seems like an odd color choice. Do 60 or 70 year old men typically wear Sketchers?

    A more general question, can they tell from corpse if a person has worn dentures? Could he have been wearing dentures prior to going into the water? If so, did they search the area to see if they could find them?

    Did they give a cause of death?
    I can answer the Sketchers question. Yes. They're very comfortable, apparently. My 84-year-old dad even had a pair.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ClaireNC View Post
    Was he wearing socks and underwear?
    He wore blue swimsuit trunks under his pants. There are no photos that show whether he was wearing socks.

    Quote Originally Posted by ClaireNC View Post
    Were his clothes the right size for his height and weight?
    Of course, his clothes are soaking wet in the photos, but they do appear to be loose fitting.

    Quote Originally Posted by ClaireNC View Post
    The XL polo shirt and jeans with a 36 waste seem large for his weight. What condition were the clothes, besides the fact that they were in the water for several weeks?

    Were they old or new jeans?
    The pants appeared to be in good condition - no apparent rips, and they weren't badly faded. The shirts were probably in good condition when he went into the water, but there were rips that were probably caused by the current.

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    What's up with the orange belt? Seems like an odd color choice.
    The belt was one of those canvas strap-type belts with two D-Shaped metal buckles - like this one:



    Quote Originally Posted by ClaireNC View Post
    A more general question, can they tell from corpse if a person has worn dentures? Could he have been wearing dentures prior to going into the water? If so, did they search the area to see if they could find them?
    No information in that regard. If he was wearing dentures, and lost them in the water, it is very unlikely that they would be found. The Spokane River is a fairly large river.

    Quote Originally Posted by ClaireNC View Post
    Did they give a cause of death?
    No COD was disclosed.

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    5'11 and 147 lbs. is skinny but not necessarily 'homeless' skinny. My father is 6'3, 145 lbs. and he is a very irritable and "twitchy" person. (I think people would mistake him for a homeless guy, probably a drug addict as well, if he didn't have his neatly trimmed Chevron mustache and button-up shirts.) This guy seems to have a lot more weight in his face than my dear old dad, but I'm guessing this is just because bodies distribute weight differently.

    Those canvas-type belts are generally cheaper than leather belts. Very cheap at places like Wal-Mart. They break more easily.

    Wish there was a way to tell if he had worn dentures in the past. The thought of some poor old man's dentures floating along the Spokane River is very odd.
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    I also noticed the fullness of the face compared to the estimated weight. Yes people do distribute weight differently, but it could also be an indication of an illness or that he recently lost a lot of weight. Since the clothes seem too large for his weight, I think we should take that into when looking for potential matches. If this poor man is somebody that disappeared a few years ago, his weight could have been much higher when he went missing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ClaireNC View Post
    I also noticed the fullness of the face compared to the estimated weight. Yes people do distribute weight differently, but it could also be an indication of an illness or that he recently lost a lot of weight. Since the clothes seem too large for his weight, I think we should take that into when looking for potential matches. If this poor man is somebody that disappeared a few years ago, his weight could have been much higher when he went missing.
    The face was very badly bloated from the extended time in the river. Although I compensated for that, his face could have been thinner.

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