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    Quote Originally Posted by mrjitty View Post
    Of course its hard to legislate for Masipa Law

    But in my opinion what Roux was asking for has no chance. (at least in a credible Court)

    So if the Judge splits the difference and gives him 10, this is a great result for the defence as with 1 served he could be out in 4

    But it might feel like a heavy sentence compared to what the defence asked for.

    So I kind of wondered if there was a aspect to Roux's game of providing cover to the Judge for what would be a soft sentence.

    She can rip into Roux's submissions and then say No Sir! I give him 10 years hard time!
    10 years would be 8 years in prison because of the 4/5 rule surely, and the 10 years would already take account of the year served. Unless Masipa went with the 2/3 rule. If wanted him to serve 4 years she'd have to sentence him to 6 years.

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    The two most important things Nel said today (IMO) were:

    If you accept as mitigation that he didn't intend to kill Reeva then you are saying that an intruder's life is valueless.

    And

    Pistorius, in prison, said that he didn't deserve to be there because he was not a criminal.

    Those two things demolish every single "argument" Roux laid before the court.

    And I was delighted that Nel challenged Roux's extremely offensive...."Murderer of what? What is that?"

    The "what" was Reeva.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JudgeJudi View Post
    Poor me, pity me, look how little and disabled I am. Don't send me to that nasty place. I'm scared, very scared, terrified.
    Why did he have to take those socks off too? He was on carpets. As LM said, showboating his "vulnerability". As lithgow(?) said put an effing gun in his hand and make him walk to the Bench.

    Sorry I have never sworn as much online , ever, but .....

    Anyway in case we have 3 or 4 lurkers misinterpreting that for frustration/pessimism re the eventual sentence - it isn't.
    Quite confident of a good stretch inside, even though I haven't seen the full day again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mrjitty View Post
    Who knows - this is pretty crazy territory!

    I would have said it is a huge contempt of Court to do this.

    I can't imagine any High Court Judge who would be happy about it - indeed I know some who would hit the roof
    You'd think they will have to postpone airing it. I'm sure Uncle A is regretting the decision and if OP continues to deny responsibility but claims to be remorseful (which he did not do in court in this sentencing hearing) and Masipa did watch it, well that could be quite disastrous. She's human and if she thinks this 'white boy has taken the mickey out of me' she might slam him with 20. Ah, wishes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LemonMousse View Post
    The two most important things Nel said today (IMO) were:

    If you accept as mitigation that he didn't intend to kill Reeva then you are saying that an intruder's life is valueless.

    And

    Pistorius, in prison, said that he didn't deserve to be there because he was not a criminal.

    Those two things demolish every single "argument" Roux laid before the court.

    And I was delighted that Nel challenged Roux's extremely offensive...."Murderer of what? What is that?"

    The "what" was Reeva.
    UL Wow I hadn't heard that line .
    IDK which poster keeps mentioning the "Kool Aid" but looks like OP has had it intravenously from Mashabane.

    Edit - UL I was going to suggest something more unpleasant & distasteful, use your imaginations!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hatfield View Post
    Been following in the news and some reading here.

    All JMO
    First off I thought this was going to be like a 1 day re-sentencing and was very disappointed to see defense and prosecution having to give what is in effect closing arguments all over again it seems.

    Secondly why do I have a horrible feeling that the judge is going to give us more of the same and come up with some crazy sentence that doesnt justify the crime committed. Some of her basis for the last sentence I clearly remember her using invalid arguments such as saying she didnt believe the testimony of his ex girlfriend that told how he shot a gun carelessly out the sunroof of a car or something like that. She also didn't believe some of the other prosecution arguments for invalid reasons. She made them sound convincing but when you read through the lines she was basically favoring the defense.
    And she believed some of the defense arguments that I would have thrown out.

    So I have lost faith with this judge and am very disappointed she even gets to sit during this resentencing. I have suspicions that due to her similar disability that she favors the defendant and it would not surprise me if money exchanged hands at some point during the last trial.

    So I will wait like the rest of us but I sure am not going to get my hopes up that justice will be served this time around. I think she wants the long delay to create a very lengthy argument that does nothing but confuse people with why she is giving him such a low sentence.
    She creates it with multiple pages and many words so that she can hide that she is giving him a pass and making it sound like it is legitimate.

    Thanks everyone for the great posts and overview of what has been going on. It is appreciated.
    I feel your pain! But in reality it would be best that she hand down a sentence of less than the 15 year mandatory minimum, it would spurn an immediate appeal and the SCA tend to actually follow the law. I would be very happy with that scenerio!
    Don't do the crime if you can't do the time. Sammy Davis, Jr.

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    I think that when he goes inside they should reappoint that nurse manager to supervise his medical needs. She certainly saw right through him. It would literally drive him insane with rage and humiliation. Either way, he's gonna be an angry man when he finally gets released. It would not surprise me in the least if this second imprisonment term is one of many. All his enablers really have no idea of the longterm damage they are inflicting on him.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mrjitty View Post
    Of course its hard to legislate for Masipa Law

    But in my opinion what Roux was asking for has no chance. (at least in a credible Court)

    So if the Judge splits the difference and gives him 10, this is a great result for the defence as with 1 served he could be out in 4

    But it might feel like a heavy sentence compared to what the defence asked for.

    So I kind of wondered if there was a aspect to Roux's game of providing cover to the Judge for what would be a soft sentence.

    She can rip into Roux's submissions and then say No Sir! I give him 10 years hard time!
    Yes , that's the bit I'm interested in. Just a game. Roux playing a role.
    Not being legal types, we wouldn't know this kind of thing y'see.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mrjitty View Post
    How does Masipa even allow this?

    He was not called as a witness?

    Yet then he is produced as physical evidence? She allows her court room to be the backdrop for a farce.

    if I was her I would have insisted he be available for X if he is going to parade around
    Really quite appalling. OP at no time does OP ever need to walk around on his stumps. They only need to be taken off when he goes to bed and when he goes for a shower when a chair was provided. Whatever was Roux thinking? Showing this surely was counter-productive. This is the guy who openly states he doesn't think of himself as being disabled.


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    Quote Originally Posted by LemonMousse View Post
    The two most important things Nel said today (IMO) were:

    If you accept as mitigation that he didn't intend to kill Reeva then you are saying that an intruder's life is valueless.

    And

    Pistorius, in prison, said that he didn't deserve to be there because he was not a criminal.

    Those two things demolish every single "argument" Roux laid before the court.

    And I was delighted that Nel challenged Roux's extremely offensive...."Murderer of what? What is that?"

    The "what" was Reeva.
    1. As far as Roux is concerned, both are valueless.
    2. 100% lack of remorse. You can't have remorse if you don't accept what you did.
    3. That was just plain disgusting.


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    Quote Originally Posted by lithgow1 View Post
    You'd think they will have to postpone airing it. I'm sure Uncle A is regretting the decision and if OP continues to deny responsibility but claims to be remorseful (which he did not do in court in this sentencing hearing) and Masipa did watch it, well that could be quite disastrous. She's human and if she thinks this 'white boy has taken the mickey out of me' she might slam him with 20. Ah, wishes.
    We had a recent UK case where a bloke after "getting off" made comments on his FB page about "getting one over on the judge". He was promptly hauled back in and sentenced for C of Court. I think it's probably rare in SA though.

    Anyway OP is far too crafty, on TV he will emote, show us his Reeva shrine, her Val card, feed his nephews baby food, gently play with his dogs, show us his bathroom cabinet and his drugs, explain haltingly how vulnerable he is in a hundred ways. He isn't going to leave himself wide open- he'll say he was responsible but mistaken, break down into unintelligible mumblings etc.


    As long as it ends with pastor drowning him in Waterkloof plunge pool I'll be ok with that.

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    Wouldn't it be nice if, over the last year, Masipa (away from Du Toit's squeaky voiced influence) has had a few dark nights of the soul and it's dawned on her that Pistorius had basically gotten away with murder. "But wait......we never did hear the promised tapes of girly screams and Johnson's time was never verified. Hmmm"

    "15 years is the minimum, not the maximum. So I give you 200 years in prison like that police officer rapist".



    Won't happen, but sure would be nice!

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    Quote Originally Posted by cottonweaver View Post

    Anyway OP is far too crafty, on TV he will emote, show us his Reeva shrine, her Val card, feed his nephews baby food, gently play with his dogs, show us his bathroom cabinet and his drugs, explain haltingly how vulnerable he is in a hundred ways. He isn't going to leave himself wide open- he'll say he was responsible but mistaken, break down into unintelligible mumblings etc.


    As long as it ends with pastor drowning him in Waterkloof plunge pool I'll be ok with that.

    RSBM...
    He'll probably vomit on camera a couple of times too, for good measure.

    Can someone please confirm that he is definitely, absolutely going to prison after sentencing? There isn't an option for him to be detained in a psychiatric ward or anything like that is there?

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    Quote Originally Posted by DanceCard View Post
    RSBM...
    He'll probably vomit on camera a couple of times too, for good measure.

    Can someone please confirm that he is definitely, absolutely going to prison after sentencing? There isn't an option for him to be detained in a psychiatric ward or anything like that is there?
    Well, any prisoner could be detained in a psychiatric ward instead of a prison. He'd just go there until he was better then be transferred to prison.

    But he has not been sentenced to be detained in hospital in the way that someone who is criminally insane would be.

    He will be incarcerated. And if Masipa does go down the community service/suspended sentence route, Nel will appeal and he will win.

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    Just watching the days events now I'm home from work... Wow. Roux really is contemptible when questioning Kim Martin - it's made my blood boil... I'm going to have to skip his closing statement!
    "If it looks like a duck, and quacks like a duck, we have at least to consider the possibility that we have a small aquatic bird of the family Anatidae on our hands." Douglas Adams

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