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    Verdict: GUILTY for both Millard and Smich of 1st degree murder #2

    We are on verdict watch in the case against Dellen Millard and Mark Smich

    Juror deliberations commenced at 4:03 pm ET, Monday, June 13 2016. When a verdict is announced, the title of this thread will be updated to reflect that.

    Please remember The Rules and the ZERO TOLERANCE policy.

    Verdict Watch is a very tense waiting period and when a verdict is announced, emotions can be heightened, so please be aware of this and keep yourselves in check and post respectfully, with decorum, or take a break until you've calmed down.

    We won't forget Tim.



    Hearts and thoughts have been with Tim's loved ones on this very long journey,
    and will continue to be with them at this very critical time, after the verdicts, and for years to come.


    Verdict Thread #1
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    Laughter and tears follow guilty verdicts for ‘despicable and callous’ Tim Bosma murder
    Adrian Humphreys | June 18, 2016


    Sharlene Bosma smiles and celebrates with her family and that of her late husband Tim Bosma, after the guilty verdicts of Dellen Millard and Mark Smich on Friday, June 17, 2016. THE CANADIAN PRESS/Peter Power

    HAMILTON, Ont. — It was a day of strong voices, starting with each juror at the trial for the killing of Tim Bosma, standing one by one in a packed courtroom and declaring both Dellen Millard and Mark Smich guilty of first-degree murder.

    Then came Judge Andrew Goodman, who broke with practice and addressed court before imposing sentences, saying Bosma’s killing was “reprehensible and unimaginable” and calling Millard and Smich’s actions “despicable and callous.”

    Next, a spontaneous roar of elated cheers erupted from a crowd of onlookers who were not able to get inside the courtroom as the Bosma family walked out; another when the three prosecutors emerged in their black robes and a third for the detectives who led the chase to arrest the pair.

    And finally, by dinnertime, after leading a large entourage — her “village” of supporters, as she called them — across Main Street to address the media and a swelling crowd of clapping passersby, came the remarkably poised words of a vibrant Sharlene Bosma, Tim Bosma’s widow.

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    Quote Originally Posted by otto View Post
    As someone who did not follow any discussion of the case, and simply caught some of the news updates, I had no doubt that both should be convicted. It sounds like Mark Smich, on the witness stand, presented as someone deserving of sympathy and leniency; that he had a convincing story. However, at the time of murdering Tim Bosma, he was all in, and we can't forget that his story contradicted other witness testimony. He participated in the abduction, murder, and incineration of Tim Bosma. I am convinced that if either man was found not guilty, it would be a free pass for them to continue murdering people.

    I highly doubt that any members of the jury were so uncertain of their own opinion that they relied on others to make decisions for them.
    What's obvious now is that the jury never fell for Smich's act (and obvious lies). The moment he said he couldn't remember where he "buried" the gun, he lost all credibility. Zero.

    Funny, had he come clean about the gun's whereabouts, his story might just have been believable. Fatal mistake to play stupid on the stand.

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    DM - Guilty of First Degree Murder
    MS - Guilty of First Degree Murder


    Sounds so good to hear. Repeat over and over and you'll find it sounds even better

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    Quote Originally Posted by Webulls View Post
    What's obvious now is that the jury never fell for Smich's act (and obvious lies). The moment he said he couldn't remember where he "buried" the gun, he lost all credibility. Zero.

    Funny, had he come clean about the gun's whereabouts, his story might just have been believable. Fatal mistake to play stupid on the stand.
    He most likely knew that was a possibility, but revealing the gun(s) location would have been worse. I don't think he had any other option but to pull a 'seaenn'.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Webulls View Post
    DM - Guilty of First Degree Murder
    MS - Guilty of First Degree Murder


    Sounds so good to hear. Repeat over and over and you'll find it sounds even better
    When do they pack for their new home? I hear it's a tougher neighborhood.

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    https://soundcloud.com/am900chml/the...im-bosma-trial

    5:28 and ff

    Incident between DM and SB

    But he really looked right to her, like you just screwed my life up, like he couldn't...his money, his manipulation, could not beat this woman

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    Quote Originally Posted by ABro View Post
    The uncle is Madeleine Burns' brother. He never took Dellen in so to speak. He simply made a point of spending time with this nephew after WM and MB split, probably so he could have a stable father figure in his life. Remember, Wayne was a drinker and Madeleine had problems of her own. The uncle was likely trying to help out. I think a lot of people misinterpreted his testimony to mean Dellen lived with him, which was not the case.
    I wasn't there (at court) so I have no clue what else was said but had to go back and re read his testimony. I too thought RB said he took DM in from age 15-17 years old as well. It does sound like RB is saying that he didn't have much contact with DM in his younger years but DM lived with him for 2 years.

    From Adam Carter
    Burns says he knew Millard "sporadically" as he was growing up.

    Adam Carter
    Millard's father Wayne Millard and Millard's mother Madeleine Burns separated for a time, Burns says. For "altruistic reasons," he says, he watched Millard from ages 15 to 17


    BTW, I'm not arguing but it seems maybe, we home viewers missed some information?

    http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/hamilt...tion-1.3485222

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    IIRC, DM is planning on representing himself in LB trial, and he has elected to be tried by judge, not jury (unless I am mistaken).

    Obviously, this was his strategy before his guilty verdict. Now that he's been found guilty, do you think he'd prefer trial by jury in LB trial? Can it even be changed?

    Hard to imagine any judge in LB trial not being influenced in large part by the evidence presented in Tim Bosma trial.

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    http://news.nationalpost.com/news/ca...m-bosma-murder
    Laughter and tears follow guilty verdicts for ‘despicable and callous’ Tim Bosma murder
    my opinion...........and i happen to agree with it.....


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    Quote Originally Posted by CJPRINCESS View Post
    I wasn't there (at court) so I have no clue what else was said but had to go back and re read his testimony. I too thought RB said he took DM in from age 15-17 years old as well. It does sound like RB is saying that he didn't have much contact with DM in his younger years but DM lived with him for 2 years.

    From Adam Carter
    Burns says he knew Millard "sporadically" as he was growing up.

    Adam Carter
    Millard's father Wayne Millard and Millard's mother Madeleine Burns separated for a time, Burns says. For "altruistic reasons," he says, he watched Millard from ages 15 to 17

    BTW, I'm not arguing but it seems maybe, we home viewers missed some information?

    You bring up a very good point with your example. I noticed that often I had to look at multiple tweets from different journalists to determine the meaning of a question and/or a response. The limitation of the tweets often confused many of us, especially during a fast pace exchange.

    For example, many caught the 'word' error when AC tweeted that DM "seemed to run towards SB". This is one example where the word changed everything. This happened many times, and sometimes I was caught shaking my head. In this case it was pointed out that he most likely meant 'turn'.

    Will the court transcripts be made public, and if so when?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Webulls View Post
    IIRC, DM is planning on representing himself in LB trial, and he has elected to be tried by judge, not jury (unless I am mistaken).

    Obviously, this was his strategy before his guilty verdict. Now that he's been found guilty, do you think he'd prefer trial by jury in LB trial? Can it even be changed?

    Hard to imagine any judge in LB trial not being influenced in large part by the evidence presented in Tim Bosma trial.
    IIRC, the only trial by judge that we have heard about so far is CN's upcoming trial in November.

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    Quote Originally Posted by spanishshara View Post
    Who was the blonde lady who showed up for Millard?
    Quote Originally Posted by hellkat2 View Post
    Could it be his mother????
    Quote Originally Posted by SnooperDuper View Post
    I think she is just a Bible-thumper that took on the cause of supporting society's unlovables.
    Wait are you talking about the lady that was praying in the corner and had to be escorted out or the one that was seen frequently in court and was hyperventilating and seen working madly on her phone after the verdicts were read?

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    Quote Originally Posted by marymcd View Post
    Wait are you talking about the lady that was praying in the corner and had to be escorted out or the one that was seen frequently in court and was hyperventilating and seen working madly on her phone after the verdicts were read?
    The hyperventilator. I heard there was a church lady visiting DM in jail to pray with him. I think she is the same person.

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    Quote Originally Posted by marymcd View Post
    Wait are you talking about the lady that was praying in the corner and had to be escorted out or the one that was seen frequently in court and was hyperventilating and seen working madly on her phone after the verdicts were read?
    The implication seemed to be they were the same person. Were there two different blonde women with Bibles that showed up in DM's corner?

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