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    Twin infants mysterious death

    http://abclocal.go.com/wabc/story?se...cal&id=3556899

    Infant Twin Boys Found Dead - What Happened?
    Detectives Focused On Baby Formula As Possible Cause

    East New York, Brooklyn -WABC, October 20, 2005) - Three-month-old twin brothers were discovered dead Thursday afternoon in Brooklyn.

    The twins were by all acounts happy, healthy and beautiful three-month old boys, but suddenly today, their mother couldn't wake them up.

    Now a medical examiner will try to determine what went wrong.

    Just moments ago, their distraught father holding his only surviving son in his arms, told us he has no idea why his twin boys are dead.

    Father: "We gave as much information as we can and they said they're investigating. I don't know what's going on. It's overwhelming."

    N.J. Burkett reported earlier that crime scene detectives and firefighters were at a loss for information.

    The twin infants died within minutes of one another with no outward indications of foul play. Paramedics were called to the home by the mother of the children and they were pronounced dead a short time later.


    http://www.newkerala.com/news.php?ac...lnews&id=39346

    Soy mixture being probed in twins' deaths

    BROOKLYN, N.Y: New York police, investigating the deaths of 3-month-old twin boys in Brooklyn, are testing a soy milk mixture fed to the babies before their nap.

    The babies died Thursday, reports the New York Post. Their 21-year-old mother frantically called 911 after she couldn't rouse her sons, the report said.

    Neighbors said she ran out on the street with one child in her arms, wailing, "The baby's not moving! Not breathing!"

    The cause of death has not been determined and is pending results of an autopsy.

    Police questioned the parents and said the babies showed no signs of abuse. The soymilk mixture has been taken to a laboratory for testing. They also removed stocks of the soy milk and the cornmeal mixture from two nearby stores as a precaution.

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    Oh NO! I hope it wasn't something in the formula. Other babies could be at risk.

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    What a nightmare this must have been for the parents! To have one baby stop breathing only to find the other dying as well must have been horrifying. My heart breaks for this poor family, and especially the surviving brother.
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    I used to run a support group for families with vaccine injured children. Whenever I read a story such as this one, I always wonder if the children were recently vaccinated.

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    She mixed her own formula from soy milk and something else. It was not a prepared mix she purchased.

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    I hope they find out what happened. Maybe they were allergic to soy? My cousin has 3 sets of twins and the youngest set almost died a few days apart but one was saved. One died of SIDS in his sleep and their little girl passed out at their son's funeral from acid reflux. It was so scary, and I can't imagine losing two children at one time.

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    My prediction: somebody's heroin stash got mixed in with the formula.

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    Quote Originally Posted by luthersmama
    My prediction: somebody's heroin stash got mixed in with the formula.
    Oh God. I didn't even think of that. That would be awful.

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    http://abclocal.go.com/wabc/story?se...cal&id=3560416

    Few Clues In Twins' Death
    Detectives Focus On Cornmeal Porridge

    Few clues tonight in the deaths of infant twin brothers in Brooklyn. The autopsy results are inconclusive at this point, but investigators are focusing on a homemade porridge fed to the boys.

    In the hours before they died, police say the twins were fed not formula but a mixture of soy milk and cornmeal.

    In the West Indian community it is known as cornmeal porridge. The question tonight is why did the children die after eating it?

    Investigators say the children died after drinking a light mixture of cornmeal and soy milk, a traditional recipe in the West Indian community, known as cornmeal porridge.
    Jamaican cooks told us that their children are raised on cornmeal porridge.

    Cook: "My kids drank cornmeal and they're still alive."

    Tonight, the mystery has deepened because after several hours today, the medical examiner could not pinpoint the cause of death. Further test are apparently necessary.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Paradise
    I hope they find out what happened. Maybe they were allergic to soy? My cousin has 3 sets of twins and the youngest set almost died a few days apart but one was saved. One died of SIDS in his sleep and their little girl passed out at their son's funeral from acid reflux. It was so scary, and I can't imagine losing two children at one time.
    I haven't heard of allergic reaction to soy milk although it's possible I guess. Both of mine were allergic to regular baby formula and put on soy formula by their pediatrician. I would think cornmeal would not be a good thing for such a small babies digestive system. But apparently it's what they always fed their children.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MrsMush99
    Oh NO! I hope it wasn't something in the formula. Other babies could be at risk.
    I was thinking the same - that OR vaccinations.... OMGosh. Those poor people. It surely doesn't sound like foul play though.

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    What a tragedy. This family must be devastated.

    FWIW, I have no opinion on this case. I think the ME needs to release all of his findings first. Here are a few links to information about SIDS and twins. The first link comes to the conclusion that both children dying of SIDS is rare, however the second link is the sids-network and goes into detail of what can happen when both twins die. I really chopped up the article because of copy right laws, so you might want to take a look.

    JMHO
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    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/q...&dopt=Abstract

    Sudden infant death syndrome among twins.



    http://sids-network.org/fp/wood_marla10.htm
    Date: Sat, 7 Oct 2000

    Twins and Sudden Infant Death Syndrome
    Each year, an estimated 7,000 babies die of Sudden Infant Death Syndrome (SIDS), in the United States alone. More children die of SIDS than Aids, Cancer, Heart disease, Child Abuse, Cystic Fibrosis and Muscular Dystrophy combined (Holcher 1). It is by far the deadliest and the most mysterious syndrome known to effect children. Very little is known about SIDS, however, statistics show that 95 percent of SIDS deaths happen between 2 and 4 months of age.

    ......................snip...............
    The rate for SIDS deaths in singleton babies is 1 baby per thousand births. The rate for SIDS deaths in twins has been as high as 9 babies per thousand births, but is usually documented as 4 deaths per thousand babies. (Beal 1039).

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    He also examined the time span of the deaths, and found that in 9 of the 17 cases, the co-twins died on the same day, while the remaining 6 died within one month of their twin (Spiers 5). His data suggests that the time period when family should be most concerned about the surviving twin is one month.

    ............snip.............
    The simultaneous death of both twins raises suspicion toward the parents or care givers. Dr. John E. Smialek, is considered to be a well-known expert in the studies of Simultaneous SIDS in twins. In his studies, he has encountered several cases of simultaneous SIDS as a respected Medical Examiner in the Baltimore, Maryland area. He has personally worked on 9 of these cases. In Wayne County, Mi., two cases of simultaneous SIDS occurred within 5 years of each other. During the first case the death of the twins resulted in an atmosphere of intense suspicion of the parents that was verbalized by members of the medical community and other person who were unaware of this medical phenomenon. The twins' deaths were labeled as SIDS after intense investigations involving both local police agencies and the medical examiner. After numerous tests came back negative, the cause of death was listed as SIDS (Smialek 817). When simultaneous twin deaths

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    Quote Originally Posted by Paradise
    I hope they find out what happened. Maybe they were allergic to soy? My cousin has 3 sets of twins and the youngest set almost died a few days apart but one was saved. One died of SIDS in his sleep and their little girl passed out at their son's funeral from acid reflux. It was so scary, and I can't imagine losing two children at one time.
    Paradise:

    First, let me say how sorry I am about your cousin's baby. I know someone who lost a little one to SIDS, it's so tragic.

    On the other hand, I find what happened to the second child curious. They've said for years they really don't know what causes SIDS for sure. From what I've always read, they usually put infant 'unexplained death' in that category. I wonder if it's something, or perhaps many of them, could be as simple as 'acid reflux.' I mean, when adults have it, we get an upset stomach or heartburn. But if an infant gets it, perhaps their body isn't equipped yet to handle it, causing death.

    Did they study it any further? Did the little one ever experience this same symptom again?

    Sorry to ask so many questions about something I'm sure still pains you, but I wonder if it's coincidental or???????????

    JMHO
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    Quote Originally Posted by luthersmama
    My prediction: somebody's heroin stash got mixed in with the formula.
    No, it is not the case. The autopsy would have shown that. As of now, it is still a mystery why the children died.

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    Quote Originally Posted by deandaniellws
    No, because they would have already found out that if it was the case.

    This morning when I posted my theory it was not so unlikely because they might not have gotten the tox tests back yet. Now it appears that if drugs had been the cause they would have figured it out by now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fran
    Paradise:

    First, let me say how sorry I am about your cousin's baby. I know someone who lost a little one to SIDS, it's so tragic.

    On the other hand, I find what happened to the second child curious. They've said for years they really don't know what causes SIDS for sure. From what I've always read, they usually put infant 'unexplained death' in that category. I wonder if it's something, or perhaps many of them, could be as simple as 'acid reflux.' I mean, when adults have it, we get an upset stomach or heartburn. But if an infant gets it, perhaps their body isn't equipped yet to handle it, causing death.

    Did they study it any further? Did the little one ever experience this same symptom again?

    Sorry to ask so many questions about something I'm sure still pains you, but I wonder if it's coincidental or???????????

    JMHO
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    Yes they studied it further and she was kept in the hospital on a breathing monitor for a couple days and was sent home with the breathing monitor and a feeding tube to regulate her formula intake. She was put on some acid reflux meds and my cousin was told to keep her upright after she ate, or at the very least put her in her carseat so she wasn't laying flat. Her brother's organs were sent out to be tested and my cousin said on his death certificate they listed SIDS.

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    This reminds me of that Ask Dr Baden show, Autopsy I think. I watched one night about a women who had mystreiously lost several (3 maybe?) children at young ages, maybe some twins, cannot remember. Of course the authorities were suspicious of her, but never chrged her. She went to DR B to find out what caused her children to keep passing.

    He determined she was rolling over on them at night. Very strange. But fact can often be stranger than fiction.
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    here it is:

    How Did Terrie Petrie's Babies Die?
    In 2000, an Ontario woman named Terrie Petrie gave birth to a daughter, her second child. Eight days later, the baby was dead, and the cause of death was determined to be SIDS (Sudden Infant Death Syndrome). A year and a half later, Terrie found out she was pregnant again, this time with twin boys. But three months and one week after the boys were born, they too died mysteriously - both on the same night. With police suspicious and newspapers vilifying her, Terrie wrote Dr. Baden on the Autopsy website, then flew to New York for an interview. Five months, myriad forensic analyses and a polygraph test later, Dr. Baden summoned Terrie back to deliver his opinion as to why the three babies died. As he explains to Terrie, there were four possibilities: 1) genetic abnormality; 2) SIDS; 3) accidental roll-over; and 4) homicide. Dr. Baden's verdict - based on evidence and interviews by both Terrie and her friend Tammy - is "not quite the answer I wanted to hear," confesses a sobbing Terrie.

    http://www.hbo.com/autopsy/episode/10_index.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by JBean
    here it is:

    How Did Terrie Petrie's Babies Die?
    In 2000, an Ontario woman named Terrie Petrie gave birth to a daughter, her second child. Eight days later, the baby was dead, and the cause of death was determined to be SIDS (Sudden Infant Death Syndrome). A year and a half later, Terrie found out she was pregnant again, this time with twin boys. But three months and one week after the boys were born, they too died mysteriously - both on the same night. With police suspicious and newspapers vilifying her, Terrie wrote Dr. Baden on the Autopsy website, then flew to New York for an interview. Five months, myriad forensic analyses and a polygraph test later, Dr. Baden summoned Terrie back to deliver his opinion as to why the three babies died. As he explains to Terrie, there were four possibilities: 1) genetic abnormality; 2) SIDS; 3) accidental roll-over; and 4) homicide. Dr. Baden's verdict - based on evidence and interviews by both Terrie and her friend Tammy - is "not quite the answer I wanted to hear," confesses a sobbing Terrie.

    http://www.hbo.com/autopsy/episode/10_index.html
    Okay, I'll bite. What did he say?
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    Quote Originally Posted by angelmom
    Okay, I'll bite. What did he say?
    Oh sorry, I wasn't clear i guess. I said it in the ealrier post..accidental rollover, meaning the mom rolled over on the babies.
    It was a very sad show. BTW, this is a true story.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SadieMae
    I haven't heard of allergic reaction to soy milk although it's possible I guess. Both of mine were allergic to regular baby formula and put on soy formula by their pediatrician. I would think cornmeal would not be a good thing for such a small babies digestive system. But apparently it's what they always fed their children.
    One of my sons was allergic to soy. He was also allergic to cows milk and corn, and every single formula is based on one of those three ingredients. He had to drink goat's milk.

    I can't imagine dying from a soy allergy, however. All it did to Matt was make him break out with eczema.

    I hate to say it, but luthersmom might be on the right track. Might not be heroin, but it does sound like something was accidentally put into the cornmeal formula.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kgeaux
    I hate to say it, but luthersmom might be on the right track. Might not be heroin, but it does sound like something was accidentally put into the cornmeal formula.
    Years ago I saw some documentary on tv. The mother gave birth to twin girls but it was dishonerable in whatever country this was. Boys were more highly regarded. She killed them both by mixing up some mush that they both choked on. This was on TV sometime in 92 or 93 because I had just had my twin girls in 92 and I know they were babies at the time I watched it. Does anyone else remember seeing this??

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    Quote Originally Posted by JBean
    Oh sorry, I wasn't clear i guess. I said it in the ealrier post..accidental rollover, meaning the mom rolled over on the babies.
    It was a very sad show. BTW, this is a true story.
    Sorry! You were very clear in the first post. I went right to the second one and read the link, and both were very mysterious (so as not to ruin the ending for a viewer, which I do appreciate)! It made me want to watch the episode, but I didn't see it on the schedule for the near future.

    I'm surprised that Dr. B found that she rolled over on all three of them. When I got into it with someone about whether or not it was safe to cosleep with an infant, the research I did found that in virtually all cases where a parent rolls over on a child and harms or kills the child, the parent is on medication, alcohol, or drugs that prevent them from waking when the child cries out. From my own personal experience, I know that when my arm got too heavy on my 2 week old daughter's LEG one time, she gave such a yell that you'd have thought I was pinching her! I was just cuddling her more than she wanted and she let me know it. I think Oprah did a show about this about 4 years ago as well, and all of the people whose children died were medicated or had been drinking or using drugs. The one guy who hadn't was woken by his child and the child was fine.

    And still, the odds of rolling over on BOTH of your twins in one night? I'd like to see the episode. I'm not sure I'm there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by angelmom
    Sorry! You were very clear in the first post. I went right to the second one and read the link, and both were very mysterious (so as not to ruin the ending for a viewer, which I do appreciate)! It made me want to watch the episode, but I didn't see it on the schedule for the near future.

    I'm surprised that Dr. B found that she rolled over on all three of them. When I got into it with someone about whether or not it was safe to cosleep with an infant, the research I did found that in virtually all cases where a parent rolls over on a child and harms or kills the child, the parent is on medication, alcohol, or drugs that prevent them from waking when the child cries out. From my own personal experience, I know that when my arm got too heavy on my 2 week old daughter's LEG one time, she gave such a yell that you'd have thought I was pinching her! I was just cuddling her more than she wanted and she let me know it. I think Oprah did a show about this about 4 years ago as well, and all of the people whose children died were medicated or had been drinking or using drugs. The one guy who hadn't was woken by his child and the child was fine.

    And still, the odds of rolling over on BOTH of your twins in one night? I'd like to see the episode. I'm not sure I'm there.
    Maybe she was drinking AM....I watched the show in the middle of the night and I really don't recall the details. I only remembered it at all because this story jogged my memory.
    I 100% agree with you about the the odds of this happening being so minute.
    I'm not a Baden fan anyway..so who knows!


    ETA: I just checked at a n HBO forum board and they said that she had been out that night and had been drinking. Still, THREE babies? Drinking or no, still must be astronomical odds, if true.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MrsMush99
    Oh God. I didn't even think of that. That would be awful.
    ..........there is absolutely no reason to think that.

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