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    Netherlands - Amsterdam, Male, eagle tattoo, Flevopark, Nov'98

    Case information
    Information from https://www.politie.nl/en/wanted-and...flevopark.html

    The source has clear images of the deceased (they are post mortem images)

    On November 15, 1998 the body of an unknown man was found in the bushes of the Flevopark in Amsterdam. The man was wearing a green Lacoste sweater with a purple collar, size 7, a dark blue Port Island sweater, size XL, a JBS singlet, size M, black Dockers pants, a black leather belt (length 85 cm (33 inch)) with with 2 chrome-metal coloured jaguars and a metal name-plate with the name Sabine Jaudeu, a black leather pair of trousers make Jack and Jones, size M, Yellow Timberland boots, size 7. The victim has a tattoo of an Eagle on his right upper-arm, mixed with the eagle the head of a woman is tattooed. On the left upper-arm you see a tattoo with part of a bracelet with in the middle a medaillon.

    The male is 175 cm (5'9 feet) in length and has brown hair.

    Case number
    98131737

    My comments
    This is my first case posted here, so forgive me for any mistakes (and please tell me). I thought this case was interesting and possibly relevant for this forum as the Doe has tattoo of an Eagle, which I believe is used as a symbol for the US. It could be possible that this Doe was a tourist in Amsterdam. On the other hand, based on the pictures, the Doe looks to me to originate from the middle east, or a bit more North from there (Georgian/Chechen region). The source does not indicate an age range, based on images I would say 25 to 45 years. For both those points I do not know whether to put them in the description, as they are not sourced (btw is middle eastern considered WhtMale?).

    PS: Is it ok if I post more Dutch cases (with possibly international links/does) as most of the cases here are not from Europe? In line with that, is it ok to put (graphic) post mortem images with the posts or is that considered too graphic and is it better to refer to the source for those interested?




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    I think your fine as long as you put a graphic warning in the Thread title.

    Is it possible that he came from the Afcent base down in Brunssum (it was still open then. Now it's pretty much just the American School)? Or the Allied joint force command in Schinnen? I don't know of any missing people from the bases, but I lived in Limburg.

    I would love to see more Dutch cases! I can help translate if you need it. :-)

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    Also, that looks like Jesus. Not a woman's head. In the tattoo.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KaylaraOwl View Post
    I think your fine as long as you put a graphic warning in the Thread title.

    Is it possible that he came from the Afcent base down in Brunssum (it was still open then. Now it's pretty much just the American School)? Or the Allied joint force command in Schinnen? I don't know of any missing people from the bases, but I lived in Limburg.

    I would love to see more Dutch cases! I can help translate if you need it. :-)
    Thank you very much for your interest and comments.

    I suspect that if somebody went missing from one of the army bases this would have been well known to authorities/police and connected to the case. That is also one of the reasons that I suspect this Doe to be somebody from outside of the Netherlands or somehow else unreported ((illegal) immigrant?).

    Maybe the Eagle indicates some connection/appreciation for the US, I think the tattoo is something which could really connect this person to some place (combined with the clear photo of the face). Thus I'm very interested if the eagle is a symbol solely connected to US, or whether it might also mean something else. Looking for eagle tattoos online I found that most tattoos seem to be of eagles flying, when the eagle is sitting most tattoos show the eagle from the back, I could not find any tattoos with closed wings where we see the eagle from the front as with the Doe. I looked through namus missing persons based on time frame/eagle tattoo and couldn't find anything which could be related.

    I was looking to places where people could've fought alongside US-army.

    About the translations: thanks for offering, I'll be fine in that department as a native Dutch speaker.

    About the face in the tattoo: Indeed from this image it could also be jesus. That would likely point to christianity. In line with the Middle Eastern look one might expect the Doe to be muslim (main religion in the region). If the Doe would be a muslim than he would most likely be Shia as permanent tattoos are not allowed in Sunni Islam (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religi...attooing#Islam). Shia Islam is mainly found in Iran (https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...dhhab_Map3.png) and surrounding regions. However the tattoo could also be a very good indication that this Doe has no connection to islam.

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    That eagle looks like a bald eagle to me, which they don't have in Europe. That's why I am thinking he's probably American. People go awol all the time from the military. They might not have put out a lot of information to the public there. I'm going to talk to my friend who was military police over there for the base in Schinnen.

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    Maybe we can check "opsporing verzocht"?

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    television

    Quote Originally Posted by KaylaraOwl View Post
    Maybe we can check "opsporing verzocht"?
    That's a good idea, however I have a hard time finding older broadcasts. On http://www.npo.nl/opsporing-verzocht...oadcast&query= everything up from 2006 is mentioned (but behind pay wall). On their site (http://opsporingverzocht.avrotros.nl...2&layout=block) every case from 2012 on seems to be separately described (often with the relevant part embedded on youtube). It has been around since 1975, so it is a possibility that there is something on this case there. On http://zoeken.beeldengeluid.nl/inter...18#pageCounter I've been able to find descriptions of (some of) the broadcasts. The site seems to be replaced and is giving lots of errors, but the new sites search is terrible and the new site doesn't seem to have a summary of cases for each broadcast. I could not find the case mentioned in any of the broadcasts from 1999-2003.

    There is also the show Vermist (since 1996), but that mainly is from the point of missing persons (lot of those are not police cases but also people who got out of touch). I would suspect that show to be less useful here.

    Peter R. de Vries' show (since 1995) might also be a possibility, but if I remember that is mainly on cases with more information available.

    Newspapers have the same issues as television broadcasts for this timeframe. From 2005 on everything has been published online as well, but only before something like 1970 (and only before 1945 almost everything) is accessible online (http://www.delpher.nl/nl/kranten if you're ever interested). I'll take a look if I can find something in any newspapers.

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    I was able to access all Dutch newspapers online (via LexisNexis)

    I found a short article in "Het Parool" from 16 November 1998.
    - The body was found in the morning of 15 November 1998.
    - "De politie gaat uit van een misdrijf 'gezien de aangetroffen sporen', maar wil verder geen mededelingen doen." (The police suspects a crime based on what they found at the scene)
    - "
    De man lag tussen het pannenkoekenhuis en het zwembad in de bosjes." (The man was found between the pancake restaurant and the swimming pool in the bushes)

    Some articles also describe different cases. Both around 22 June 1997 and around 2010 a body has been found in the Flevopark.

    The article(s) on the 16th of November (without too much details as can be expected from such a soon article) are the only I can find. Seems like this case didn't get much (or any) attention at the time.

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    I'm trying to look through Interpol. I did look through the politie.nl site, but didn't see anyone close looking.

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    Just to clarify -- the person was said to be wearing 'size 7' shoes -- in what scale is that? In North America, size 7 for a 5'9" man would seem very small. I'm also unsure how widely sold Timberland boots were in 1998. I think they became more popular some time later.

    I also find the tattoos confusing. The eagle does make me think of the US, but the colors and the way the eagle is depicted do not.

    All that being said, my guess is that the victim is not Dutch. Perhaps that explains in part why his case got so cold so fast.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Montjoy View Post
    Just to clarify -- the person was said to be wearing 'size 7' shoes -- in what scale is that? In North America, size 7 for a 5'9" man would seem very small. I'm also unsure how widely sold Timberland boots were in 1998. I think they became more popular some time later.

    I also find the tattoos confusing. The eagle does make me think of the US, but the colors and the way the eagle is depicted do not.

    All that being said, my guess is that the victim is not Dutch. Perhaps that explains in part why his case got so cold so fast.
    Timberland boots became super popular with the urban community on the East Coast in the 90's.

    I had a few pairs myself in the 2000's and they are popular again now.

    I did read that they were originally created in 1973 for New England construction workers.

    The tattoo looks like it might've been a cover up. Typically cover up tattoos require a lot of texture to hide the original lines. So flowers and fish scales (koi) are really popular cover up tattoos. Maybe the artist thought feathers would cover the face?

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    Shoe size

    Quote Originally Posted by Montjoy View Post
    Just to clarify -- the person was said to be wearing 'size 7' shoes -- in what scale is that? In North America, size 7 for a 5'9" man would seem very small. I'm also unsure how widely sold Timberland boots were in 1998. I think they became more popular some time later.

    I also find the tattoos confusing. The eagle does make me think of the US, but the colors and the way the eagle is depicted do not.

    All that being said, my guess is that the victim is not Dutch. Perhaps that explains in part why his case got so cold so fast.
    Thank you very much for your input.

    In the Netherlands sizes for men are somewhere between 35 and 45. http://www.oddshoefinder.com/images/...shoe_sizes.gif gives an overview of shoe sizes around the world. The size 7 is likely what is indicated in the boot (otherwise they would've stated the Dutch size metrics). Size 7 is something from UK/US/Australia mainly. It differs a little bit between those countries, but not too much. In the Netherlands you sometimes see shoes with only US/UK indications inside them, thus it does not necessarily exclude the possibility that the shoes were bought here (although it is not very likely in the complete picture).

    About sizes the size 7 Lacoste sweater seems to indicate XXL (http://www.lacoste.com/us/SizeGuide.html).

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    The information on the clothing does not seem to be too carefully written down. There are some discrepancies between the English and the Dutch clothing descriptions. In the description above two pairs of pants are described. The second (leather) pair is not present in the Dutch version where it is denoted as: "een boxershort, merk Cliff, maat M" (A boxer short, brand Cliff, size M).

    The Port Island sweater is in Dutch denoted as "Port Oslan". Port Island seems to be a place in Japan.

    I can not find anything on "Sabine Jaudeu" as a brand, so that could either be a good clue or incorrect information. The jaguars are also not mentioned in the Dutch description.



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