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    Quote Originally Posted by beach View Post
    It is really just my interpretation. The passage "he wasn't going to get to see Mark" sounds to me like future tense. If she had said, "he wasn't able to see Mark", then that would be past tense.

    That said, I concede my thoughts here are probably heavily influenced by ALL I have read the past week or so. So please, I totally understand if others interpret these passages differently. It has been a lot to digest. The most frustrating thing of all is I am finding it extremely hard to put in an order/context so others can see the big picture that is coming into focus for me. It's still blurry in places but it is becoming a lot clearer for me. It's like a 500,000 piece jigsaw puzzle and 75% of the teeny, tiny pieces are still face side down, but I've got the border started and a few corners filled in. Still, I can't describe well what I'm seeing and people not think I'm nutso. lol

    Just one example: JR. It's a big deal to me that Angie never told anyone JR was going with Wayne on that trip. Angie talks a lot. She whines, fusses and complains a lot. She whined to others about Wayne going on this "vacation" while she had to stay home and work. Indicated she had only found out about the trip a day or two before (another lie - she had known for weeks). Common sense tells me she would have told her mother and probably others that Wayne had a buddy along for the trip. I can hear her fussing that he took a friend along to Florida while she had to stay home. But she didn't do that. I haven't be able to find a shred of evidence that she told another soul that Wayne wasn't alone on this trip. And we KNOW she knew that because she used Wayne's cell phone to call JR's phone knowing he was with Wayne. Also, Wayne is disabled with a bad back and fibromyalgia. That's a LONG drive to make (to and fro). Wouldn't she want to assure people that Wayne would have help in sharing the driving?.

    And like everything else in this case, that leads down a whole other path. I believe without a doubt that JR was set up to be the patsy fall guy for Wayne. Mark had 2 fall guys - Wayne and JR. Wayne had JR. That was the reason Wayne never guided JR to prevent him from self-destructing - entering his email addy into the GPS, buying tee shirts, and on and on and on.... And then that phone call from Wayne's primary cell at 1:00p not only would place Wayne in MO but it would also place JR on the route home from FL. If anything went awry, JR was supposed to get caught. All paths were to lead directly back to JR.

    So, Angie knew JR was on the trip but never told anyone. (disclaimer: that I have been able to locate) IOW, she knew she was supposed to keep her mouth shut about JR. WHY? If she didn't know anything in advance, why was JR going along for the trip such a big secret?

    Oh, my head hurts. Seriously. My heart hurts too. And this whole thing pizzes me off all over again.
    If the LE hadn't moved in so quickly, I'm betting... JR would've ended up dead.

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    Well I've never trusted that woman so this whole inconsistency thing is no surprise to me. But she should be in jail IMO.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Paulas88 View Post
    Could the phone call to JR's from CWW' phone (besides tring to place CWW in MO), be attempt to frame JR? I mean, AW could've called anyone, right?
    I am in complete agreement with this. I think the trio of AW, CWW and MS were hoping to set JR up to take the fall for the whole deal. Maybe AW blames JR for her daughter's death and the whole plan was a set up? Perhaps the trio thought JR would go down for the murder and the rest of them would be living the good life in sunny southwest Florida? Smh
    Justice for Caylee!

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    Please don't throw tomatoes, just putting out a theory. I don't know how close the two couples were, but if the women talked at all, AW would have known JRR was going to be CWW's travel buddy in advance. If not particularly close, she wouldn't necessarily have known unless cww had told her.

    Devil's Advocate supposition that AW didn't know JRR was on the trip with hubs.

    Maybe AW called JRR (not knowing he was with CWW) to ask if he'd heard anything from her husband.

    When AW said that she couldn't believe her husband went on the trip alone, maybe “alone” meant without her/his wife.

    AW said MS was the best man at her wedding.

    The (Mertz) auto body shop rented the car for them the first time. Did she ever mention that Mertz is her sister?

    Mark's wife "passed away". Wow.

    Why did MS' brother call to notify of TS' death? That in itself, is beyond odd considering how close the two boys were. I would have thought the first thing MS would have done was to call his best friend/brother.

    And fwiw, I don't believe JRR was being set up as a fall guy. He would have had nothing to lose by talking if he had been the only one to be arrested for murder.
    ...Detective Owens said the driver is not a suspect in the case...
    snippet from washingtontimes.com/news/2015/jul/20/suspect-in-dc-mansion-slayings-due-back-in-court

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    Quote Originally Posted by Paulas88 View Post
    Could the phone call to JR's from CWW' phone (besides tring to place CWW in MO), be attempt to frame JR? I mean, AW could've called anyone, right?
    I think she would have called or text Mark from Cww phone if she was originally on the conspiracy plan of making it look like Cww and Mark were nowhere in Florida on the night of the murder. Jmo.

    It would definitely definitely definitely definitely had worked if CWW didn't tell anyone about going to Florida.

    Plus Angie was originally mad which means she didn't originally know of Curtis actual plans when she did call JR.

    Now Curtis probably just told her to contact me via JR if needed.

    Now was Curtis that calculated to frame Jr ? Or was he that dumb as in the same way he advertised going to do work for Mark to the entire state of Missouri?

    Jmo. Mark picked the right person for the murder. But the wrong person to get away with the murder from the gate.

    Jmo.
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    Quote Originally Posted by beach View Post
    What's most significant is the timing - this interview was conducted on July 12th. Angie was interviewed at 7:25am, immediately after the raid. She was interviewed BEFORE anyone else, including Wayne. They had just arrived home from FL the evening of the 10th, approximately 36 hours before the raid. They had spent the prior 9+ days in Florida, even staying 3 days after Teresa's funeral. As far as they knew, all was fine, LE wasn't on to them. They were even planning trips in the near future. As far as they were concerned, the future was bright.

    Then BAM! The surprise raid. Immediately, Angie is persistently lying to Detective Lebid knowing he is conducting a murder investigation of the woman whose funeral they had just attended. WHY? If she didn't know anything, why is she lying? For that matter why was she lying to others (particularly her mother) and withholding information (JR) BEFORE Wayne returned from committing the murder? I'm convinced Angie knew a LOT, if not before, then certainly after she was in Florida.
    <rsbm> Woah, the timing of her interview didn't even click with me 'till I read this post! Listening to it again with that in mind answers a lot of questions for me. Lebid is audibly shattered from what's obviously been an all-nighter in prep for the SWAT raid. Angie should've been shocked wide awake by the raid, yet stifles yawns throughout the interview while having the presence of mind to remember her script. I know yawning's not the biggest deal, but in the midst of one of the most important and traumatic times of her life? Maybe an insight to what she's all about.

    She gets a bit tearful once, maybe twice, when she should be overwhelmingly angry, upset, but mainly confused by the raid and asking tons of questions. Not even once does she ask Lebid the first question that would enter any of our heads. 'Are you saying you think/have proof MrAng is involved in TS's murder'? Going into denial and a confusion meltdown then, would be understandable. She's actually quite calm in the face of that and lies from the start. With ease. Her remit from the off was to lie to protect 'her man', and plead the poor me card thinking LE would give her a pass for it.

    I didn't think she was aware of the burner 'phones before, but I'm getting there. Her using Wright's 'phone at 1.09pm to call JR proves I gave her too little credit. It's obvious she's way more savvy (devious) than I first thought. One thing's sure, she most definitely knew Wright was going to the Sievers' (Lubinksi/Sullivan) whether it be to the office or Jarvis Rd.
    That she knew JR was along with her husband and didn't utter a word about him to anyone (that we know of) points to her knowing something well dodgy was going down. Murder or Theft?

    Makes me wonder if CWW told her he was 'caught red-handed' by Teresa and had no choice .....

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    She lies and lies and man, does she whine. At one point, she got *****y while denying and lying. Frankly, I'd want to smack her.

    Why don't we get to see the video of this? The audio is enlightening to be sure, but I want to see her facial expressions and body language, too.

    “He dated my mom's sister and my mom.”

    If she didn't know her husband was going on a murder trip before he left, she CERTAINLY knew afterwards when he convinced her to lie for him to family and detectives regarding his whereabouts.

    She doesn't know which banks her husband uses.

    If I was being interviewed by LE and they were obviously not believing what I was telling them, I'd ask for a lie detector test to prove I knew nothing about anything. Screw my husband if he murdered an innocent woman, he'd be on his own.

    Great husband. He has life insurance on himself with his mother as beneficiary, not his beloved, precious wife. But then, if the wife is happy living in a trailer and sponging off her parents while supporting a criminal loser of a husband, why should he worry about her?

    It's annoying listening to her whine and lie and frankly, she's too big and too old to get away with trying to act breathy little girly.

    Major, major respect to Det Lebid for his incredible patience.

    omg: "My husband is an awesome man."

    Hand that Detective a barf bag quick!
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    ...Detective Owens said the driver is not a suspect in the case...
    snippet from washingtontimes.com/news/2015/jul/20/suspect-in-dc-mansion-slayings-due-back-in-court

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    Quote Originally Posted by FelicityLemon View Post
    Great husband. He has life insurance on himself with his mother as beneficiary, not his beloved, precious wife.
    <rsbm> Another thing the bro's have in common.

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    Since AW was using CWW' phone (she also called CWW' Son, to tell him CWW was ill and couldn't watch the children, IIRC) wouldn't she have seen the text message from JR at 6:43 am, asking CWW when he's going to pick him up, with CWW' reply of 7:30 am?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Paulas88 View Post
    Could the phone call to JR's from CWW' phone (besides tring to place CWW in MO), be attempt to frame JR? I mean, AW could've called anyone, right?
    And CWW could have told JR prior to ever departing MO "Hey Bro, I left my cell at home, you may want to leave yours here at home. I have a burner we can use. Furthermore CWW possibly setting up JR


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    Quote Originally Posted by Paulas88 View Post
    Since AW was using CWW' phone (she also called CWW' Son, to tell him CWW was ill and couldn't watch the children, IIRC) wouldn't she have seen the text message from JR at 6:43 am, asking CWW when he's going to pick him up, with CWW' reply of 7:30 am?
    GREAT catch. I dont think we know what phone AW used to call her SIL stating CWW was too sick to watch the grandchild. BUT, you are correct, AW did use CWW's cell on Sat to call JR cell. No doubt she would have glanced on the texts. If CWW is such a technology geek and a heavy cell user, he would have had several texts on his cell from several people and I strongly feel she would have looked at the texts ( I feel most wives would have) (start throwing virtual tomatoes now).
    Another edit. Once AW knew CWW left his cell at home, I am guessing that threw her for a loop and she immediately snooped his cell whenever she returned home Sat
    FWIW, I dont think AW knew JR was going on the trip. She was mad about her not getting to go and was very vocal about the fact. She clearly stated to KM/EM and their houseguest that she was livid w CWW going on a vacation and leaving her home. If AWW was in the pre-planning I don't think she would have been verbalizing these facts. She was livid enough proclaiming known facts I think she would have said something like "He force me to stay home and make money, but yet, he chose JR to be his ride along company"
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    Quote Originally Posted by DaleTray View Post
    GREAT catch. I dont think we know what phone AW used to call her SIL stating CWW was too sick to watch the grandchild. BUT, you are correct, AW did use CWW's cell on Sat to call JR cell. No doubt she would have glanced on the texts. If CWW is such a technology geek and a heavy cell user, he would have had several texts on his cell from several people and I strongly feel she would have looked at the texts ( I feel most wives would have) (start throwing virtual tomatoes now)
    IIRC, "CWW' Adult son said "AW called from CWW' phone", I remember this, bc we were all discussing why AW would use CWW
    phone. Does anybody else remember this?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Paulas88 View Post
    IIRC, "CWW' Adult son said "AW called from CWW' phone", I remember this, bc we were all discussing why AW would use CWW
    phone. Does anybody else remember this?
    Correct! It's in his statement. ( MF)

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    Well, having lived with a "victim type" for far too many years, I can tell you that I immediately recognized AW "playing the victim card" the first time I heard the interview. These people get very practiced at gaining the "secondary benefits" of their misfortunes. And they can really get to be a huge pain in the butt to deal with. It's all "Feel sorry for me-e-e-e-e! Oh poor me. Nothing in life is my fault. Just feel sorry for me-e-e-e."

    .I also could hear her lying and evading throughout the interview. I don't know how soon she knew what, but something was going down when one evening she's at her mother's house *****ing about how CWW left her all alone while he went to Florida and then - what? - the next day is telling her mother that she never said that?

    I surely, surely believe AW knew what had gone down by the time she and CWW arrived in Florida for the funeral. And she was keeping her mouth shut and "going along". They got money from MS while they were down there, right? CWW had money to rent cars both for the murder trip and the funeral trip. And AW didn't know something funky was going on? Bullshyte!

    So the three way sex with the blindfold did indeed go down? Or was that "all fantasy"? These people are such pigs. In my opinion.

    Oh, and for AW to have gotten any kind of an immunity deal, I'd think she would have had to be present in front of whoever was granting such immunity. Did she ever go to Florida after CWW was transferred there? I did not think she did.

    AW is very lucky if she skated out of this mess by the skin of her teeth. Because it sure sounds like she knew a little more than she should have.

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    Wow, everybody! I'm proud to be a part in this group with the great minds!

    Sounds like she wanted the high life with money but didn't want work for it. Makes a person think how much she really knew about this whole thing and how many times she fantasized living like the Sievers.

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