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    MA - Vanessa Marcotte, 27, murdered, Princeton, 7 Aug 2016 #2

    "Vanessa Marcotte, 27, was last seen Sunday afternoon while visiting family in Princeton, Mass., police said. Around 1 p.m., she went for a jog ó and vanished. Officers found her body in the woods that night about a half mile from her motherís home."

    http://www.nydailynews.com/news/nati...icle-1.2742909

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    Press conference. LE is seeking public assistance/tips. They do think it's a homicide but do not know if it was random.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Apples123 View Post
    I was wondering that too regarding a car, but LE is insisting on there being a car. Perhaps they found tire tracks or something. I think there had to be something though, carrying a canister of gas and a person's clothes on oneself is going to be weird under any circumstance.

    Was passing by this path part of her normal running routine? Are there a lot of runners on this road on the weekend?
    Yes this path is off her normal route. It is very easy to miss if you are driving but would be more noticeable if you are walking or jogging the road. I wouldn't say a lot of runners but a handful I am sure.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Black Labs View Post
    I believe the land is private (may be wrong), and if it is owned by who I think owns it, I guarantee they are not involved. They are a great family who has been in town since I was born there 36 years ago. They are standup citizens and I am sure they are as upset about this as anyone.
    Would this family have had a caretaker or groundskeeper who might now have family in the area?

    It's just my humble opinion, nothing more. Feel free to disagree.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Camerabug View Post
    Would this family have had a caretaker or groundskeeper who might now have family in the area?
    Not that I know of.

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    One thing I have been wondering about is the possibility of a 'copycat' killing. Either that or New England has a large drug problem-not necessarily Princeton-not saying that-but wondering if somehow that factors into this equation. I don't think VM had anything to do with drugs, but the brutality and senselessness of her murder is off the scale. Her killer just might. Thoughts?
    Last edited by Camerabug; 08-14-2016 at 08:56 AM. Reason: clarification

    It's just my humble opinion, nothing more. Feel free to disagree.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Black Labs View Post
    To be honest with you, I lived there for 25 years and never gave it a second look. Rumor in town is that she was not killed where she was found. I don't know if that means she was killed somewhere completely different, or if she was killed in proximity to where she was found. Again, small town, lots of rumors so don't know if there is any validity to it. I do know that if I was trying to dump something I didn't want to be found, I can think of 1000 other places in town to do so. There are a LOT of back roads that are not paved and seldom get any vehicle traffic.
    Thank you for all your input to this thread. That's a very, very interesting rumor. I figured with the short window provided for the murder, it had to have happened there. I thought who ever did this did it this way to minimize how much DNA evidence there would be. If you transport her/fight her in a car, that's going to leave a whole lot of evidence. It's still a mystery how this guy captured her in the first place. She seems very athletically inclined and was so close to home.

    I really hope this is solved soon, but I feel like it won't be.

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    http://www.masslive.com/news/worcest...ml#incart_2box

    Still sounds like they have nothing

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    Bringing over from the previous thread (I don't know how to quote from another thread directly), Theforeinger posted: Could you please provide a link to info where "LE is insisting on there being a car." ?

    I don't think LE is insisting there is a car, but they are asking specifically for tips about a vehicle, bbm:

    "'We continue to ask people to search their memories about any males on whom they may have noticed potential injuries such as scratches, bruises, cuts, gouge marks or the like during the past week, as well as any vehicles -- moving or parked -- on Brooks Station Road between 1-3 pm Sunday,' Massachusetts State Police said in a release."

    http://www.masslive.com/news/worcest...ps_invest.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by Apples123 View Post
    http://www.masslive.com/news/worcest...ml#incart_2box

    Still sounds like they have nothing
    Maybe, but maybe not. With 590 tips, they have leads to follow. And...one of those leads might be productive and we just don't know yet. Hope so.

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    That's exactly it. To me that indicates strong suspicion a vehicle was involved in some way at least. Perhaps one of these tips is why they are asking, or perhaps it's just 'logic' that in this kind of setting a vehicle was almost assuredly involved. After looking at this map I wonder if this guy escaped via the creek. Seeing as a car probably couldn't drive onto this path to stay out of sight, it either had to have been somewhere else or not involved.

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    "We continue to ask people to search their memories about any males on whom they may have noticed potential injuries such as scratches, bruises, cuts, gouge marks or the like during the past week, as well as any vehicles -- moving or parked -- on Brooks Station Road between 1-3 pm Sunday,"
    http://www.masslive.com/news/worcest...ml#incart_2box

    Seems that people were wondering how they know it was a male attacker, but I do know that it doesn't take very long to establish gender from DNA under the nails and that she definitely scratched and scraped this guy. But the gouging intrigues me. One technique is to gouge an attackers eyes . Another is to use your keys in your fist to stab and gouge someone. I wonder if they found her keys nearby.

    We don't know the extent of her burns, only that there were "burns" to her hands, feet and head. Unless I ,missed something the stories so far tell me that her hands were not burned so extensively as to destroy DNA.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Steleheart View Post
    "We continue to ask people to search their memories about any males on whom they may have noticed potential injuries such as scratches, bruises, cuts, gouge marks or the like during the past week, as well as any vehicles -- moving or parked -- on Brooks Station Road between 1-3 pm Sunday,"
    http://www.masslive.com/news/worcest...ml#incart_2box

    Seems that people were wondering how they know it was a male attacker, but I do know that it doesn't take very long to establish gender from DNA under the nails and that she definitely scratched and scraped this guy. But the gouging intrigues me. One technique is to gouge an attackers eyes . Another is to use your keys in your fist to stab and gouge someone. I wonder if they found her keys nearby.

    We don't know the extent of her burns, only that there were "burns" to her hands, feet and head. Unless I ,missed something the stories so far tell me that her hands were not burned so extensively as to destroy DNA.

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    I don't think she would've had keys with her because she took the bus from NYC to visit, she very well could've had keys for the house but I would think not.

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    Here is a link to the Town of Princeton Assessors maps:
    http://www.cmrpc.org/GIS/princeton/P...sessorMaps.htm
    The map that contains the area where Vanessa's body was found is map 12:
    http://www.cmrpc.org/GIS/princeton/P...36x23_5_12.pdf
    (Please do not sleuth or repost names of property owners).
    You will see Connor Lane ending left of center and continuing south by two dotted lines that represent the old road and this is visible in fall/winter satellite images as two straight parallel lines (remnants of the old dry stone walls that bordered the road).

    I made a case map last night but didn't post it as I was hoping the case had come to a speedy arrest. There's not much on it, but I'm happy to add the cell tower and jogging routes if known:
    https://drive.google.com/open?id=1nI...u0&usp=sharing

    Thank you to the original poster Eucalyptus for compiling this. I wasn't sure how to (quote) bring this over from the last thread.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Apples123 View Post
    That's exactly it. To me that indicates strong suspicion a vehicle was involved in some way at least. Perhaps one of these tips is why they are asking, or perhaps it's just 'logic' that in this kind of setting a vehicle was almost assuredly involved. After looking at this map I wonder if this guy escaped via the creek. Seeing as a car probably couldn't drive onto this path to stay out of sight, it either had to have been somewhere else or not involved.
    The cart path was apparently "wide enough for a car".

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