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    CO - Madison Pappas, 21 mos, stabbed to death, Aurora, 29 Oct 2005 *Insanity*

    A woman was being held on suspicion of first-degree murder Saturday in the stabbing death of her 21-month-old granddaughter, police said.
    Carol Lynn Pappas, 52, called 911 around noon Saturday to say a baby had been stabbed at her home, police said.

    Officers and firefighters found a young girl suffering from several stab wounds in a bedroom.
    http://www.lovelandfyi.com/region-story.asp?ID=2684

    A 52-year-old woman was arrested on murder charges Saturday night after she allegedly butchered her toddler granddaughter and picked up a phone with bloodstained hands to call police.

    Officers who responded to the gruesome scene at 17553 E. LaSalle Drive were devastated. The Police Department was offering the officers counseling.
    http://www.denverpost.com/news/ci_3165560
    Just when I think that I have seen the most depraved things a human can do to another human, somebody posts a new story...........

    Why is it that when a custodial parent fails to provide for a child it is called neglect and is a criminal matter. But when a non custodial parent fails to provide it is called failure to support and is a civil matter?


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    The poor little thing ,this is so tragic,I feel so terrible for her parents .I dont understand how any grandmother could do this,mentally ill or not ,my beautiful grandchildren are my life .I cry if they skin their knees .

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    Omg, that is horrible. It made me sick reading this. When I read the story, I was like why would the parents leave the baby alone with the grandmother. The way some neighbors described the grandmother, she is nuts. Unbelievable the parents of this baby would leave her along the gm. They had to know, that the GM had major problems. So sad, I can't even imagine.

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    This is so sad. My heart goes out to the parents. It sounds like the mother was really involed in her little girl's life. So sad, for whatever reason, she left the toddler home w/ the grandmother. I'm sure that will haunt her forever.

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    http://www.rockymountainnews.com/drm...199907,00.html

    On Sunday morning, police were still conducting an investigation inside the home. Shortly after Johner placed her flowers, detectives emerged from the house and loaded a bloodstained, full-sized mattress into an evidence van.

    Herrera said police officers who responded to the scene also are having a hard time coming to grips with what they saw. One veteran officer who declined to be identified said it was the worst crime scene he had witnessed since the 1993 slayings of four people inside a Chuck E. Cheese's restaurant.

    Herrera said police officers and firefighters who responded to the scene Saturday were offered counseling.

    "As police officers, we're expected to respond to homicide scenes. What makes this one exceptionally difficult is you have a grandmother who was caring for the child and who allegedly stabbed her to death. That's what makes it hard to take."

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    This is truly heartbreaking. As followers of crime, I think that we're getting use to the fact that parent's may kill their children. But the thoughts of a grandmother killing - it's just too much to comprehend.

    I still don't find refererence as to who's mother she was (like it makes a difference).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pook
    This is truly heartbreaking. As followers of crime, I think that we're getting use to the fact that parent's may kill their children. But the thoughts of a grandmother killing - it's just too much to comprehend.

    I still don't find refererence as to who's mother she was (like it makes a difference).
    The article said she lived with her son and his wife..this woman is a monster!

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    Tot's slaying shocks neighbors

    A barefoot neighbor walked across the street Sunday morning and left a bunch of pink carnations on the front lawn of a home where police the day before had arrested a woman in the fatal stabbing of her 21- month-old granddaughter.
    http://www.rockymountainnews.com/drm...199907,00.html

    The Grandmother accused of stabbing her 21-month-old granddaughter to death was advised of the charges against her Monday morning.

    Carol Lynn Pappas, 52, appeared in Arapahoe County District Court for the hearing. She faces a charge of murder in the first degree.

    Police said Pappas called 911 around noon Saturday to say a baby had been stabbed at her home, police said.

    Officers and firefighters found a young girl suffering from several stab wounds in a bedroom. She was pronounced dead at the scene. The girl's name was not released.
    http://cbs4denver.com/topstories/loc...304133852.html

    An Aurora woman accused of stabbing her 21-month-old granddaughter to death appeared in court Monday morning to be advised of the first-degree murder charge she faces.

    Police say 52-year-old Carol Lynn Pappas called 911 Saturday to report the stabbing. When officers arrived at her home, she at first refused to open the front door but when she did, they found that her hands were covered with blood and she was still holding a cordless phone, Aurora police said.

    Pappas lived at the house, located in the 17500 block of East LaSalle Drive, with her son, Nicholas; daughter-in-law, Jessica; her granddaughter; and a roommate. Investigators believe Pappas and her granddaughter were the only ones in the home when police arrived.
    http://www.thedenverchannel.com/news...53/detail.html
    Just when I think that I have seen the most depraved things a human can do to another human, somebody posts a new story...........

    Why is it that when a custodial parent fails to provide for a child it is called neglect and is a criminal matter. But when a non custodial parent fails to provide it is called failure to support and is a civil matter?


    "Just when the caterpillar thought its world was over, it became a butterfly" ~ Michelle Knight

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    Grandma not guilty in tot's killing

    Amid the family's fury, a judge says that Carol Pappas was insane when she attacked her granddaughter with a knife.

    By Kieran Nicholson
    Denver Post Staff Writer
    Posted: 02/23/2007 02:56:51 PM MST
    Updated: 02/23/2007 10:42:43 PM MST

    Carol Pappas, accused of stabbing her 21-month-old granddaughter, was charged with murder on Nov. 3, 2005. (Post archive)Centennial - A woman who killed her toddler granddaughter by stabbing her 62 times with a butcher knife was ruled not guilty by reason of insanity Friday after the grandmother's family vented their fury at her in court.

    "Look at me! Look at me, you (expletive)," Nicholas Pappas, the slain girl's father, screamed at his mother, Carol Lynn Pappas, before the judge's ruling. She kept her head down, refusing to look her son in the eyes.

    Nicholas Pappas, still screaming, was rushed by sheriff's deputies and a police officer. Subdued and handcuffed, he was taken from the courtroom.

    More at link. I feel so bad for these poor people.

    http://www.denverpost.com/search/ci_5290648

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    must be nice to kill a toddler and get away with it.

    she'll have to answer to god for it one day


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    Oh my that poor father, I feel so awful for him.

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    Whoa, wtf? She's found guilty by reason of insanity for being manic depressive and bipolar!! How does that make her insane?! I've been bipolar and depressed for a few years now. I have many family members who deal with the same thing. We take our meds and deal with it. In fact I haven't been able to take my meds because of pregnancy but my GOD, I am NOT insane and it makes me so mad to see people get away with heinous crimes and cite those illnesses as their reasons! Is there just different levels of depression/bi polar that I'm not aware of? Help me understand this please. I've never even been in a fight, I can't imagine hurting someone - anyone - unless it was necessary to save the life of someone else! When I see people use that as an excuse - and get away with it - it makes me afraid to even admit my illness because I don't want to be in anyway likened or associated with such atrocities! LOTS of people are depressed, and lots of people are bipolar!! That doesn't make them criminals or MONSTERS - which is the nicest word I can think of to describe this "grandmother"!

    Her own children think this verdict is unjust, that speaks volumes! How unfair for this baby to die such a horrific death and not even have anyone to answer for it. This is so heartbreaking. That woman is not insane. I was expecting the article to at least say she was on PCP or something, but no. Depressed and bipolar is not at all a reason to stab a 21 month old with a butcher knife! My God!

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    I have a question. If a person who is not taking medicine for being Bi-polar and has a psychotic episode can this person be assumed as being insane? TIA

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    Quote Originally Posted by ella971 View Post
    I have a question. If a person who is not taking medicine for being Bi-polar and has a psychotic episode can this person be assumed as being insane? TIA
    Legally? I'm not sure ella. Here's a link that may help.

    To me any woman that stabs a little child like that with a butcher knife let alone her own kin has to be insane. I'm not agreeing with the verdict, but nothing says bat s*it crazy like murdering your own sweet grandbaby and so violently veteran cops are traumatized.


    http://karisable.com/crmh.htm

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    Quote Originally Posted by ella971 View Post
    I have a question. If a person who is not taking medicine for being Bi-polar and has a psychotic episode can this person be assumed as being insane? TIA
    That's a good question, but wouldn't it also be their fault for not taking their meds?

    OT, I cannot take my meds right now due to pregnancy and I am not a doctor obviously, but I thought bipolar just simply meant you had mood swings and manic episodes where you may lash out? That's why I've been taking Abilify for a few years now, to control my mood swings and occasional manic episodes. I don't see how - unless there's just different levels of bipolar - having mood swings equates having psychotic episodes. To me, psychotic episodes and "insanity" would mean losing your mind and not comprehending what you're doing, as if you're under the influence of drugs like PCP or something..that's what I've always imagined would be the only cause for an insanity plea. I don't see how you can use "by reason of insanity" for mood swings..? Someone help me out here!

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