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    Possible Match, NamUs case UP 15325

    Let me first say this is more of a longshot due to distance between where Anna was last seen and where the remains were found in Imperial County, CA. However, because they belong to a 4 to 5 year old female and the post mortem interval is up to 50 years, we should attempt to get an official rule in or out.

    These partial remains were found in 1994, but not entered in Namus until June of this year.

    https://identifyus.org/en/cases/15325

    https://identifyus.org/en/cases/full_report/15325

    Dna is not available, but dentals are. Perhaps there is something notable in the dentals which can be used for an official rule out, or we can inquire as to when and if dna might be obtained.


    Is Doogie still around to submit? or should I? I would really prefer Doogie do it since he is in direct contact with Annasmom and family.
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    I texted Doogie asking him to check in here so this possible match can be submitted.
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    Praying that this is not a match at all


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    I don't think it will be a match due to the distance between where Anna was last seen and the location these remains were found. It's more likely, imo, to be a missing child who resided closer to the area the remains were found. However, because the gender and age range are within our search criteria, I can't not submit it.

    I am getting ready to submit to both the MP side and the UP side now, since Doogie doesn't seem to be around since I posted this.

    I will update again after I have submitted.
    ~JMO~

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    I sent an email to the NamUs case manager handling Anna's case and an email to the Imperial County coroners office. I couldn't find an email address for the San Mateo County sheriffs office, so I left a voice mail requesting an email address. Everyone got the same email message, so if I hear back from SMCO I'll send them the email also.
    ~JMO~

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    I heard back from SMCSO almost immediately and sent the email to the detective who returned my call. Amazing they responded so quickly to a message left about Anna's case. I don't think it was more than 15 minutes after I left a message and my call was returned.


    I did mention there is no dna on the UP side, but I was aware California was in the process of trying to get DNA for all of their uid;s and that while that can be a time consuming process, perhaps there is an anomaly of some sort with the dentals that can rule out Anna. ..... That I just wanted to make sure they were aware of it and it was in the right hands.

    I don't expect this to be a match, but we have to give this case due diligence and not just presume a rule out.
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    You rock Cubby!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by cutter99 View Post
    You rock Cubby!!!
    Thank you.
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    Thanks cubby for all you do. Now it's wait time I feel in my heart this is not Anna


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    Quote Originally Posted by smile22 View Post
    Thanks cubby for all you do. Now it's wait time I feel in my heart this is not Anna


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    YW. I am hoping some kind of dental anomaly that we know Anna didn't have can rule out the possible match. It's much easier for the authorities to rule out than to rule in. For example, a few years ago a possible match that I submitted for a different case was ruled out by dating scars. Old surgery scars were able to make that determination.

    I'm not going to hang my hat on this being Anna. I don't think it's her, but because we don't have enough information to positively rule out ourselves, we have to turn it over to the authorities. I wouldn't hold up any other areas of investigation based on this PM, and hope no one else would either.
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    I still think we need to look outside the box something in all of this somewhere has some meaning to it I wonder if a plea could be made for seeking answers without any repercussions from the people coming forward I have seen that before


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    You mean given immunity, right? I seem to recall Annasmom saying somewhere within the forum that the statute of limitations for kidnapping has long since passed.
    ~JMO~

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cubby View Post
    You mean given immunity, right? I seem to recall Annasmom saying somewhere within the forum that the statute of limitations for kidnapping has long since passed.
    FYI: The National Center for Missing and Exploited Children has services listed below:

    NCMEC works closely with the NamUs program to help ensure the most up-to-date and accurate information available is being used in this important initiative.
    NCMEC's Biometrics Team can assist law enforcement, medical examiners and coroners by:

    • Ensuring DNA has been collected and profiled from both missing children and cases of unknown children and searching against missing children family DNA reference samples in the Combined DNA Index System, known as CODIS.
    • Facilitating collection of dental records for forensic odontology coding on missing unknown children for upload to national databases including NamUs and NCIC.
    • Facilitating the collection and coding of fingerprints for entry into national databases.
    • Documenting all personal belongings found with a deceased child, such as jewelry and clothing, for dissemination to the public and law enforcement via posters to help identify an unknown child.
    • Searching and analyzing data for possible matches in the NCMEC missing child database as well as NamUs and NCIC.

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    Thank you, Annasmom. I was aware NCMEC cooperated with NamUs. I know that dna is compared to dna, dentals to dentals. In some cases where the missing person and the unidentified person don't have the same identifiers to compare a manual comparison must be done. Since we have dna for one and only dentals for the other iirc a manual comparison must be done. I trust that the NCMEC contact, the NamUs contact and the detective who replied to my voice message are doing just that and I am sure they will take care of any necessary follow up in the future.
    ~JMO~

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cubby View Post
    Thank you, Annasmom. I was aware NCMEC cooperated with NamUs. I know that dna is compared to dna, dentals to dentals. In some cases where the missing person and the unidentified person don't have the same identifiers to compare a manual comparison must be done. Since we have dna for one and only dentals for the other iirc a manual comparison must be done. I trust that the NCMEC contact, the NamUs contact and the detective who replied to my voice message are doing just that and I am sure they will take care of any necessary follow up in the future.
    I contacted Donald Cahill, senior forensic case manager at the NCMEC, and he said "When there is DNA from our case it is automatically entered into CODIS by the University of North Texas or whoever does the processing and that DNA is automatically compared to all cases of unidentified remains that has DNA entered. Our staff here at NCMEC continually request comparisons but do not notify family unless they get a “positive” reply from the lab." He said that he had submitted NamUs 15325 for a comparison but did not see any DNA in the report on that NamUs case. (As you have noted, Cubby.) I was glad to have a contact at the National Center, since I have not heard from them in some time.
    National Center for Missing & Exploited Children
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