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    Quote Originally Posted by RickshawFan View Post
    POS has been with child for 18 months now. Poor babe is afraid to come out; in utero is bad enough.

    Seriously, the PV warden has got POS' number. 1. She's evidently been prohibited from asking for book donations to supplement the prison's stock of westerns, which she doesn't deign to read. 2. All her outgoing mail was censored, perhaps owing to the fact she was soliciting money, which is against the rules. 3. She was disciplined for calling a guard something completely unmemorable, and her privileges were rolled back; this meant she couldn't give her mom a hug, in vivo, so to speak. 4. A healthy percentage of every dollar that goes into her account is taken out for the Alexanders; every cent she has is subject to this deduction. 5. She spends a substantial fortune on hemarrhoid treatments. 6. Any attempt POS makes to get public attention is met with smack downs. Mostly, she's outta sight, outta mind. Ooh, forgot... 7. By now, she may have earned enough brownie points to wear orange tops and bottoms instead of a jumpsuit.
    Much enjoyed. Thank you!

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    Quote Originally Posted by RickshawFan View Post
    The most astounding new tidbit I've heard on the MM front. When H4M looked over the POS' direct, POS says that she called MM on June 4 BEFORE she started looking for her phone charger (just short of the Nevada border).
    I need to look back at her last journal. IIRC MM met up with her in Yreka when she got back after killing Travis on the 6th. He was with her before and after the murder. He told her not to move to Mesa and she stopped speaking to him for several months for it.


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    February 26, is the second time they had sex according to Jodi. She'd been in Las Vegas fort three days and Travis was impatient in her getting back to Mesa. She hurried home, cleaned herself up grabbed the tootsie pops and went to Travis's. She said they went all the way again. I'm not sure when the rose petal and candle seduction.sex in the bathtub was, but it is mentioned as another time they had sex on the phone call.


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    Quote Originally Posted by ILikeToBendPages View Post
    February 26, is the second time they had sex according to Jodi. She'd been in Las Vegas fort three days and Travis was impatient in her getting back to Mesa. She hurried home, cleaned herself up grabbed the tootsie pops and went to Travis's. She said they went all the way again. I'm not sure when the rose petal and candle seduction.sex in the bathtub was, but it is mentioned as another time they had sex on the phone call.
    In what I think was Vol.5(if my notes are correct from BK's site) Dated Mar.30/08, she had also noted that the night before she had got a massage and a facial then, "This morning TA & I got into a little spat."

    I'm thinking that may well have been because he caught her taking pics of him while he rested after their "activities". That would have been just before she went and drove the BMW to Uhaul and proceeded to blow up the transmission and after she had dyed her hair "brown".

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    -From the beginning, MM had been her alibi, her ally, her confidante, and oh, he will never betray her. What could he have ever done to deserve that not so honorable title - murderer's ally. During the trial he also became her go to witness for every abuse she suffered and T's pedophilia confessions. All according to her. I see problems with that.

    I think from the very beginning, MM was her hostage, not her ally. She had something on him from the get-go. He had done something that she was holding him hostage for.

    So he had to become Bob White at her threatening request - I will tell _________ if you don't comply.
    I now believe MM is Bob White and the magazine message was for MM.

    "You xxxed up. What you told my attorney next day contradicts what I’ve been saying for over a year. Get down here asap and see me before you talk with them again and before you testify so we can fix this."

    Tone of this message is very rude and threatening. Who is going to tolerate a message like this unless someone is under duress, like MM would have been. MM probably told her attorney he didn't know anything about the bruises and as a result he was getting bullied by POS for messing up her story.

    Later on,
    -POS' position- Asks MM to lie for her or else..

    -MM's position- I'm not going to lie for POS. If I'm called as a witness, I will tell everything truthfully. And the truth will hurt her more than me. I'm tired of being intimidated.

    -JM's position: JM didn't want to subpoena because MM could lie about bruises and pedo claim. As simple as that. Even if he suspected MM = Bob White, he may not have had any effective weapon to disprove it. (JM's e-book Page 139 - "I didn't know who the magazines were intended for or how they were going to be used)

    -POS' outlook changed after Jan 2013.

    Day 29
    Watch 3:13:00 - 3:16:35

    (Not verbatim)
    JM: MM is a person who will not betray you correct? .. and he is an ally of yours right?..MM will lie for you, won't he?
    POS: No, he wouldn't.
    JM: Are you aware of the statements he made in Jan 2013 involving that very fact. Yes or no.
    Nurmi: Objection
    Judge: Approach
    JM: MM is an individual who is your ally right?
    POS: Was.

    It looks like Nurmi decided not to call MM after he made certain statements either to him or JM in Jan 2013. Notice POS' WAS. Ha! He will not lie for her if he testifies. MM no longer would be her ally after his Jan 2013 statement.
    During the rest of the trial however, she continuously used his name as her supposed witness. No harm done. She knew he wasn't going to testify.

    Nothing earth-shattering sisters, but perhaps this is why we have not and will not hear a peep from MM, forever.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pocketaccent View Post
    -From the beginning, MM had been her alibi, her ally, her confidante, and oh, he will never betray her. What could he have ever done to deserve that not so honorable title - murderer's ally. During the trial he also became her go to witness for every abuse she suffered and T's pedophilia confessions. All according to her. I see problems with that.

    I think from the very beginning, MM was her hostage, not her ally. She had something on him from the get-go. He had done something that she was holding him hostage for.

    So he had to become Bob White at her threatening request - I will tell _________ if you don't comply.
    I now believe MM is Bob White and the magazine message was for MM.

    "You xxxed up. What you told my attorney next day contradicts what I’ve been saying for over a year. Get down here asap and see me before you talk with them again and before you testify so we can fix this."

    Tone of this message is very rude and threatening. Who is going to tolerate a message like this unless someone is under duress, like MM would have been. MM probably told her attorney he didn't know anything about the bruises and as a result he was getting bullied by POS for messing up her story.

    Later on,
    -POS' position- Asks MM to lie for her or else..

    -MM's position- I'm not going to lie for POS. If I'm called as a witness, I will tell everything truthfully. And the truth will hurt her more than me. I'm tired of being intimidated.

    -JM's position: JM didn't want to subpoena because MM could lie about bruises and pedo claim. As simple as that. Even if he suspected MM = Bob White, he may not have had any effective weapon to disprove it. (JM's e-book Page 139 - "I didn't know who the magazines were intended for or how they were going to be used)

    -POS' outlook changed after Jan 2013.

    Day 29
    Watch 3:13:00 - 3:16:35

    (Not verbatim)
    JM: MM is a person who will not betray you correct? .. and he is an ally of yours right?..MM will lie for you, won't he?
    POS: No, he wouldn't.
    JM: Are you aware of the statements he made in Jan 2013 involving that very fact. Yes or no.
    Nurmi: Objection
    Judge: Approach
    JM: MM is an individual who is your ally right?
    POS: Was.

    It looks like Nurmi decided not to call MM after he made certain statements either to him or JM in Jan 2013. Notice POS' WAS. Ha! He will not lie for her if he testifies. MM no longer would be her ally after his Jan 2013 statement.
    During the rest of the trial however, she continuously used his name as her supposed witness. No harm done. She knew he wasn't going to testify.

    Nothing earth-shattering sisters, but perhaps this is why we have not and will not hear a peep from MM, forever.
    Pocket, what are you doing to me! Now I'll have to watch that whole thing!

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    MM knows all the secrets and knows her better than anyone. His book is one I'd like to read and he really should cash in on it. He has nothing to lose now that she's locked in a box forever.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pocketaccent View Post
    I've been re reading JM's book. Reading more carefully and slowly this time and appreciating it so much more. (Had I not known anything about the trial, this book would have been a real page turner.)
    While reading the second time around, I'm reminded:

    -His most important mission was to prove premeditation and to expose deceitfulness of POS. The gas cans were his hole-in-one. His gas can strategy is worth rereading.

    -Initially the time stamped sex photos played an important part - to place POS in Travis' house, however as soon as she admitted being there, their value went down considerably in his case.

    It seems he had never questioned whether sex took place or not, like some of us are in here.
    Maybe because he did not use or need them to prove premeditation?

    Sex-No sex or correct-incorrect time stamps ->unrelated to premeditation, IMO
    The strength of the sex photographs alone made Juan lean towards charging her with first degree murder. Wisely, he hesitated until the forensic evidence came back positive but he stressed the importance in his book.

    Juan Martinez believes they had sex that afternoon because of the evidence and other factors including his careful analysis of the interviews with Detective Flores and his study of the case. The value of the evidence didn't go down. The sexual nature of the photographs was useful to the prosecution in other ways. The irony being that Arias wished to attempt to shame Travis after slaughtering him re their sexual interactions but the prosecution used the sex to corner a vicious murderer. Juan Martinez details how he exposed her enjoyment of the sex despite Nurmi's attempts to portray the opposite. One of the brilliant moments in the first trial was when Juan - within minutes of cross examining Arias - gets her to smugly smirk about how the sex wasn't stressful. Nurmi had just spent days and days boring the jury with his 'poor sexual victim' strategy only to be smacked in the face. Within around three minutes of Juan stepping into the arena. Nurmi's face is a picture:



    Outside a few people on this forum, the sexual nature of the photographs seems obvious to most people I have seen discussing the trial. Two juries and her lawyers dd not question the sexual nature of the photographs. Nor did Arias or any family members of Travis Alexander. The evidence is solid and doubts seem to stem from Arias' ludicrous attempts to lie her way out of being caught on camera during the interview with Detective Flores. She offered laughable memory card swap suggestions which she herself even recognised as being a stretch.

    Juan Martinez' book, 'Conviction: The Untold Story of Putting Jodi Arias Behind Bars' contained very little that was new to me. I found his thought process interesting and his laser-like focus on evidence to be well worth reading. Mr Martinez details how the intimacy of sex was particularly shocking given the brutal slaughter afterwards. He used the sex pictures to effectively make this point to the jury. Juan explains how his logical conclusion suggested that a video was made that day of the sex due to a segment of the interview with Detective Flores. Juan states that Travis was aroused in one of the pictures. Juan Martinez presented overwhelming evidence of sexual interaction on June 4. No question from the prosecution that those were sexual photographs. I have many questions about what happened before and after the sex photographs. The sex part is the easiest thing to explain about what happened on that terrible day.
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    Thank you all for this discussion! Love it!

    Waiting (anxiously) on pocket's research on MM!! And Hope4More love your research!

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    Quote Originally Posted by FinallyRegistered View Post
    MM knows all the secrets and knows her better than anyone. His book is one I'd like to read and he really should cash in on it. He has nothing to lose now that she's locked in a box forever.
    He has to wait until after all the appeals run out for certainty that he'll forever be beyond her reach. After what she did to Travis I don't blame his reluctance.


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    Quote Originally Posted by TrialWatcher View Post
    The strength of the sex photographs alone made Juan lean towards charging her with first degree murder. Wisely, he hesitated until the forensic evidence came back positive but he stressed the importance in his book.

    Juan Martinez believes they had sex that afternoon because of the evidence and other factors including his careful analysis of the interviews with Detective Flores and his study of the case. The value of the evidence didn't go down. The sexual nature of the photographs was useful to the prosecution in other ways. The irony being that Arias wished to attempt to shame Travis after slaughtering him re their sexual interactions but the prosecution used the sex to corner a vicious murderer. Juan Martinez details how he exposed her enjoyment of the sex despite Nurmi's attempts to portray the opposite. One of the brilliant moments in the first trial was when Juan - within minutes of cross examining Arias - gets her to smugly smirk about how the sex wasn't stressful. Nurmi had just spent days and days boring the jury with his 'poor sexual victim' strategy only to be smacked in the face. Within around three minutes of Juan stepping into the arena. Nurmi's face is a picture:



    Outside a few people on this forum, the sexual nature of the photographs seems obvious to most people I have seen discussing the trial. Two juries and her lawyers dd not question the sexual nature of the photographs. Nor did Arias or any family members of Travis Alexander. The evidence is solid and doubts seem to stem from Arias' ludicrous attempts to lie her way out of being caught on camera during the interview with Detective Flores. She offered laughable memory card swap suggestions which she herself even recognised as being a stretch.

    Juan Martinez' book, 'Conviction: The Untold Story of Putting Jodi Arias Behind Bars' contained very little that was new to me. I found his thought process interesting and his laser-like focus on evidence to be well worth reading. Mr Martinez details how the intimacy of sex was particularly shocking given the brutal slaughter afterwards. He used the sex pictures to effectively make this point to the jury. Juan explains how his logical conclusion suggested that a video was made that day of the sex due to a segment of the interview with Detective Flores. Juan states that Travis was aroused in one of the pictures. Juan Martinez presented overwhelming evidence of sexual interaction on June 4. No question from the prosecution that those were sexual photographs. I have many questions about what happened before and after the sex photographs. The sex part is the easiest thing to explain about what happened on that terrible day.
    I don't think anyone here is doubting the sexual nature of those pics, only the accuracy of their time stamps.

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    I, too, would read MM's book!
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    Quote Originally Posted by geevee View Post
    I don't think anyone here is doubting the sexual nature of those pics, only the accuracy of their time stamps.
    I have seen people on this forum state emphatically that they do not believe that they had sex that day. I haven't seen that anywhere else.

    Juan Martinez emphasises in his book, Conviction that the importance of the photographs cannot be overstated:

    "Although I had palm print and DNA results, the importance of the photos retrieved from the camera was hard to overstate"

    Juan stresses that the remaining evidence may not have been enough to find her guilty. None of the theories presented here has remotely dented the solid evidence presented in court. Arias would probably use 'the time stamp doubt theories' herself in appeal, if there was a remote chance it would imply state incompetence. Or evidence that used dodgy timestamps. As I have said before, those examining the incorrect timestamp or memory card swap theories seem to have started with Arias' attempts to lie her way out of being charged during a Detective Flores interview. This, I find incredible as even Arias struggles to square that circle.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Niner View Post
    I, too, would read MM's book!
    This is a tough one, Niner. I'm interested in what he would have to say too but I wouldn't pay to read it. It would seem like a reward for his willingness to lie for Arias (allegedly). If he refutes this - fair enough. Juan Martinez dealt with him comprehensively before the first trial.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RickshawFan View Post
    Pocket, what are you doing to me! Now I'll have to watch that whole thing!
    Yeah, I'm watching it again, too. I want the word "edify" stricken from the English language.

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