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    SC - 20 officers and enlisted Marines face discipline after recruit suicide

    Marines Uncover Wide Abuse, Hazing After Recruit's Suicide

    The Marine Corps is considering possible punishments and potential courts-martial for up to 20 officers and enlisted leaders following investigations into the suicide of a 20-year-old recruit at its Parris Island training facility in South Carolina.

    The results of three investigations released Thursday found trainees — and even some drill instructors — were subjected to repeated verbal and physical abuse at the storied training site. It also faulted commanders for paying insufficient attention to what was going on.

    The investigations were sparked by the death of Raheel Siddiqui of Taylor, Michigan, a young Muslim who had told his relatives he wanted to become a Marine to serve his country. He died after falling nearly 40 feet in a stairwell.

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    This article includes the statement from his family's attorney:

    Twenty Marine Corps personnel face possible discipline or criminal charges after investigations into the death of a 20-year-old Muslim recruit from Taylor found multiple violations of policies and procedures at a key recruiting outpost, including indications that Raheel Siddiqui was physically abused and called a “terrorist” by his drill sergeant.
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    "In light of the recent release by the United States Marine Corps Command Investigation into the facts and circumstances surrounding the death...the Siddiqui family and their lawyer...are currently reviewing the findings and will determine their next course of action."

    "At this time we acknowledge the efforts of the United States Marine Corps," the statement added. "However, there are too many questions that remain unanswered. We will work with NCIS (Naval Criminal Investigative Service) as they move forward with their investigation."
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    And from U.S. Rep. Debbie Dingell, D-Dearborn:

    “Today’s announcement … is a first step in ensuring the family of Private Raheel Siddiqui receives the answers they deserve and that the Marine Corps is addressing the serious issues that led to this tragedy,” said Dingell, who had been pressing for answers for months following Siddiqui’s death.
    http://www.freep.com/story/news/loca...iqui/90066786/

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    Wow! But, today's socio-cultural climate has become ripe for these kind of abuses.

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    I am puzzled that "hazing and abuse" of military recruits in the training phase comes as a surprise to anyone.

    SIR YES SIR. This isn't a new sociocultural climate, this is recruit training in the military. It's all about hazing and physical abuse. It's 100% about pushing recruits to the limit of psychological and physical endurance - to select recruits who are suited for the military, and to forge a fraternity of the recruits who make it through "hell week". I honestly don't know how you could create a soldier without this kind of complete breaking down of normal limits. Military training creates men and women who will walk into extreme danger on the order of their superiors, and leaders who will fall on a grenade to protect their comrades.

    I grew up in the military, but it seems to me the public doesn't know what military training consists of, and would be astonished at what Navy Seals go through. Astonished.

    If this young man stated he was suicidal and was not allowed to quit, that's horrible. I don't know that's the case - sounds like a lot more information will come out. And if anyone joins the military, and isn't made aware of what Boot Camp consists of, the recruiters probably haven't done their jobs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JeannaT View Post
    I am puzzled that "hazing and abuse" of military recruits in the training phase comes as a surprise to anyone.

    SIR YES SIR. This isn't a new sociocultural climate, this is recruit training in the military. It's all about hazing and physical abuse. It's 100% about pushing recruits to the limit of psychological and physical endurance - to select recruits who are suited for the military, and to forge a fraternity of the recruits who make it through "hell week". I honestly don't know how you could create a soldier without this kind of complete breaking down of normal limits. Military training creates men and women who will walk into extreme danger on the order of their superiors, and leaders who will fall on a grenade to protect their comrades.

    I grew up in the military, but it seems to me the public doesn't know what military training consists of, and would be astonished at what Navy Seals go through. Astonished.

    If this young man stated he was suicidal and was not allowed to quit, that's horrible. I don't know that's the case - sounds like a lot more information will come out. And if anyone joins the military, and isn't made aware of what Boot Camp consists of, the recruiters probably haven't done their jobs.
    Yes, there are studies on this and they are not good. People are not made to kill each other

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    Quote Originally Posted by JeannaT View Post
    I am puzzled that "hazing and abuse" of military recruits in the training phase comes as a surprise to anyone.

    SIR YES SIR. This isn't a new sociocultural climate, this is recruit training in the military. It's all about hazing and physical abuse. It's 100% about pushing recruits to the limit of psychological and physical endurance - to select recruits who are suited for the military, and to forge a fraternity of the recruits who make it through "hell week". I honestly don't know how you could create a soldier without this kind of complete breaking down of normal limits. Military training creates men and women who will walk into extreme danger on the order of their superiors, and leaders who will fall on a grenade to protect their comrades.

    I grew up in the military, but it seems to me the public doesn't know what military training consists of, and would be astonished at what Navy Seals go through. Astonished.

    If this young man stated he was suicidal and was not allowed to quit, that's horrible. I don't know that's the case - sounds like a lot more information will come out. And if anyone joins the military, and isn't made aware of what Boot Camp consists of, the recruiters probably haven't done their jobs.
    Physical abuse is not simple hazing. It has no place in any military training, and I'm not going to question a Major General's investigation. I'm sure he knows what's acceptable and what isn't.

    an unnamed recruit wrote a note to his drill instructor asking to go to the infirmary for a sore throat. Because he didn't follow proper procedure, the recruit was forced to run back and forth in his barracks, the report said.

    After several runs, the recruit began to cry and fell to the floor clutching his throat, apparently unresponsive, the report said. He was ordered to get up and was slapped in the face, it said. After he was slapped, the recruit ran out a door and vaulted over a railing on the third floor of the barracks, the report said.
    The investigation also revealed "recurrent physical and verbal abuse of recruits by drill instructors," with a lack of oversight by officers. Even new drill instructors were subjected to abuse by more senior drill instructors, a practice known as "hat hazing" because of the iconic flat-brimmed hats worn by the instructors.
    I'm a veteran. I saw hazing and training and I also witnessed assault and harassment. There's a BIG difference.

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    Quote Originally Posted by human View Post
    Yes, there are studies on this and they are not good. People are not made to kill each other
    No, you're right, they're not. And they're also not made to blindly follow orders when they know it is likely to lead to death. Military training has to break down normal human behaviors and sensitivities. That's why there are so many very damaged combat veterans. They come back from service irrevocably changed for the worse. Having grown up in the military, it just seems sad. I think we're just now waking up to the astronomical numbers of returning vets who kill themselves.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JeannaT View Post
    No, you're right, they're not. And they're also not made to blindly follow orders when they know it is likely to lead to death. Military training has to break down normal human behaviors and sensitivities. That's why there are so many very damaged combat veterans. They come back from service irrevocably changed for the worse. Having grown up in the military, it just seems sad. I think we're just now waking up to the astronomical numbers of returning vets who kill themselves.
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    My son spent 13 and 1/2 weeks there. The stories he told...
    Unless I provide a link, every one of my posts are to be considered rumor, Speculation, or simply MY OWN OPINION.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tulessa View Post
    My son spent 13 and 1/2 weeks there. The stories he told...
    My ex-husband was in Special Forces and he had some scary stories too.

    I'm sorry if your son had any bad experiences but I know you must be super proud of him.


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    Quote Originally Posted by human View Post
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    I wish we in America could stop giving money to other countries that seem to hate us, and use it to help our vets.
    But that's another topic.

    So sorry for this young man's death.
    Rest in eternal peace, Raheel ! Thank you for wanting to serve this country.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LietKynes View Post
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    I wish we in America could stop giving money to other countries that seem to hate us, and use it to help our vets.
    But that's another topic.

    So sorry for this young man's death.
    Rest in eternal peace, Raheel ! Thank you for wanting to serve this country.
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    Call your Representatives and Senators and ask them to increase funding for veterans! I tell everyone to do this on Veterans Day but you can call or email them anytime.

    Veterans deserve a lot more than free football tickets and parades twice a year.

    http://usuncut.com/politics/happy-ve...ewed-veterans/

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    Our service members do deserve so much better. IMO
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    Muslim Marine Placed in Clothes Dryer by Instructor, Asked if He Was 'Terrorist'

    A Muslim Marine says he was ordered to step inside a clothes dryer at the Marine boot camp at Parris Island, South Carolina by an inebriated drill instructor who wanted to know if he was a "terrorist" and "part of 9/11," according to an investigation.

    The Marine, who believes he was singled out for harassment by drill instructors because of his Muslim faith, suffered burns to his neck and shoulders after the drill instructor turned the dryer on multiple times.

    According to a Marine official, one of the two drill instructors involved in the 2015 dryer incident was the drill instructor who on March 18 “forcefully slapped” Marine recruit Raheel Siddiqui moments before Siddiqui ran away and jumped to his death from a third story stairwell in his barracks.

    Siddiqui’s death -- ruled a suicide -- triggered a broad Marine investigation into hazing and abuse of Marine recruits. Last week it was disclosed that the investigation found that Siddiqui’s drill instructor should not have been allowed to oversee Marine recruits while he was still being investigated for his role in the earlier 2015 hazing incident.

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    The allegations against the drill instructors were made by three Marines, including the Muslim Marine, more than three months after they had graduated from Parris Island. The months-long investigation included interviews with all 45 Marines in the platoon.

    Last week the Marine Corps said that 20 Marines at Parris Island could face criminal and administrative action for their treatment of Marine recruits.

    http://abcnews.go.com/US/muslim-mari...ry?id=42071520
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    Dead U.S. Marine Corps recruit's family disputes suicide report

    The family of a Marine recruit who died during training in South Carolina is disputing a Marine account that he killed himself amid a widespread culture of hazing and abuse in the Corps.

    Shiraz Khan, the attorney for the family of Raheel Siddiqui, released a statement saying there’s a lack of evidence that the 20-year-old Taylor, Michigan, resident killed himself March 18 at Parris Island by jumping into a 40-foot stairwell.

    Khan released the statement to the Detroit Free Press​ saying Siddiqui didn’t have any “disqualifying conditions, medical or otherwise, during recruiting and processing into the U.S. Marine Corps​. It’s impossible for his family and friends to accept that he took his own life.”

    http://www.cbsnews.com/news/dead-us-...uicide-report/
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