11-03-2005, 03:19 PM #1
The Missing and Unidentified
I hope this is the right place to post this. It is more of a general thought on all cold cases than a specific case. When I look at all the missing adults' photos and names on the National Center for Missing Adults website, and then look at all the unidentified bodies on the doenetwork, I wonder how many match right now. They must match. There are SO MANY. So many look familiar. Where do you begin and how can we match them up. I know there are many people doing just that and the doenetwork works hard solving these cases.
I am afraid of sounding obsessed, but I feel I would need to print up all the missing adults pictures and then go through the unidentified persons to try to match them, but how else can this be done? The family isnt always able to do an internet search, nor are the local police doing it sometimes. Does anybody else feel this way? Am I the only one who thinks the answers are there right now for many cases?
thanks for any thoughts you have,
11-03-2005, 03:35 PM #2
I'm having a bad day, after my experience with the NJ State Police (see the Blairstown Jane Doe thread). An aggravation of mine is the fact that law enforcement refuses to recoginize the resource available to them. How many of us are there that go through site after site after site...Doe Network, Charley Project, newspaper archives... searching for the missing pieces of their investigations? We don't carry badges, but is that really necessary for what I am talking about, "sleuthing" in the 21st century? Those of us on this site alone network very well throughout the world, and have developed truly plausible theories and matches that, unfortunately, we don't have the resources to follow up on.
A concentrated effort on the part of the media and an updated attitude on the part of law enforcement would go a long way to resolving many of the cases we ourselves discuss. A massive expansion of the NCMEC, giving it more resources to follow up on the tips and suggestions made by people like us--a centralized information center, if you will, with the scope of the Office of Homeland Security--would be a serious help.
11-03-2005, 03:58 PM #3Former Member
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Liani - I know just how you feel.
I've gone through all the information in the "unidentified" section, and read it several times each case.
It's unbelievable. Some of those cases sound like transients, and the family never knew what happened to them, and probably won't ever take the time to look.
Some of the others, though, sound like they were living completely normal lives, well-dressed, well-groomed, and then they were killed and no one ever attempted to find them.
But I also think when I read through some of them, they've gotten a detail so completely wrong (age, date of death, etc. ) that it keeps them from being identified - they are ruled out by searchers as not a possibility.
Best wishes with trying to cross-match them. I did send in a couple thoughts on several of them, but they were pretty long-shots.
11-03-2005, 04:20 PM #4Registered User
Originally Posted by shadowangel
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I'm sure we are not alone either.
11-03-2005, 05:15 PM #5Originally Posted by laini
The various missing persons websites do a great job, but often they are not given much to go on by law enforcement.
I agree with you that the solution to a lot of missing persons cases is out there, just waiting to be found.
11-03-2005, 09:23 PM #6
I add my agreement. I saw an older thread on this forum about Hillsborough Co. Sheriff's Office starting a cold-case squad with a part-time retired detective a volunteers from the community. I would love to work on something like that. I hope it's an idea that catches on with agencies, though I'm sure some LE won't want ordinary folks messing with files and such. But I think it's a great idea.
11-03-2005, 10:30 PM #7Registered User
Originally Posted by KatherineQ
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Only a short time ago, there was a Doenetwork match in which the estimated age of the unknown person was about 20 years off.
The "art" and "science" of matching unknowns to missing persons will improve as more older cases are entered into the system, and a better way of "sorting" on that information is developed. What is in the various data bases that you see on line is only the tip of the iceberg in a way. There are many many more missing persons NOT listed, and the same is true for many unknown bodies. But the good news is that more older cases are being added all the time.
11-04-2005, 12:07 PM #8Registered User
Originally Posted by shadowangel
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11-04-2005, 12:31 PM #9Registered User
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I too look at the unidentified people sections and think, dear god, these people had mothers and fathers, family of some sort, somewhere, people they worked with or encountered in their day-to-day lives....does someone not notice them being GONE? However, I think many of these cases, the only ones that can ID them may be responsible for them being DEAD and therefore, they're not gonna talk.
I think one fact that slips from everyone's mind is that most police dept's are understaffed. Current crime and paperwork doesn't take a break so that they can devote all their manpower to solving an old crime. It probably takes a truly dedicated police person with a mind like ours here (we just have to figure it out) to keep digging on these old (or older) cases. Hence, they should be thrilled that people like us are working so hard on some of these things.
I e-mailed in a tip on a missing person from my area and I got a personalized response from the police chief who was passing it on to the detective handling the case. I have not heard an update yet. What is everyone's thought on following up? What is a reasonable amount of time to follow up?
And, here's a big one for me. Let's just say that you do phone in tip that leads to a postive id (I'm not that confident on this one, I've just been thinking) and what if there was a reward in connection to that kind of info? What would be protocol on accepting that? I would feel so guilty taking the money because I don't think any of us do this for the money. Any thoughts from others? Ever been in that situation and what did you do?
11-04-2005, 12:50 PM #10
I sent in one tip- sent it to the Ontario Police and to the local sheriff handling the missing person case. Never heard back from either one.
There is one thing we can do right now though. I posted some info in the missing forum re: the push being on to establish a national DNA database, and the need to require DNA testing on all unidentified remains which are found. We can support this by contacting our senator's, and representatives. Because it is going to costs big bucks- they are going to need to know that we are behind the expenditure. Take a look at the articles:
http://websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=31583Just when I think that I have seen the most depraved things a human can do to another human, somebody posts a new story...........
Why is it that when a custodial parent fails to provide for a child it is called neglect and is a criminal matter. But when a non custodial parent fails to provide it is called failure to support and is a civil matter?
"Just when the caterpillar thought its world was over, it became a butterfly" ~ Michelle Knight
11-04-2005, 02:10 PM #11
So many good points! Thanks for replying, everybody.
11-04-2005, 03:00 PM #12
You know, I thought about that once, like what would I do if I was offered reward money for solving a case (cold or otherwise). I would totally find a worthwhile cause related to the missing (DoeNetwork or Project Jason or something similar) and donate all of it. Knowing that the money would be used to help solve other cases would be the greatest reward. (cheesy, yes, but true! )
11-05-2005, 06:46 AM #13Originally Posted by annemc2
There are certainly things we can all do. As suggested, write your local legislators. Visit your local PD to see what can be done in the commmunity-our town has the same yearly festival that all towns do, and through enough nagging and pushing (and politically connected in-laws!) I was able to convince our town's PD to set up a kids' ID booth. They now fingerprint and photograph the kids, giving the parents an "ID card" of sorts that can help in the case of an abduction. They can also collect DNA swabs at the parent's request. This year, they even posted pictures of local missing people and had someone on hand to answer questions. It was a great success, in my opinion. Will it make a big difference in the long run? Time will tell, but if it helps raise awareness of the issue, it will have been worth it.
Money should not, and can not, be an issue here, and its up to us to make that clear.
Identifying remains is not just important in giving the families "closure", but also in identifying the person(s) responsible and making sure they don't have the opportunity to hurt anyone else.
We are at war for the safety of our children, folks, and at this point I feel like the pedophiles and child murderers (and their enablers) are winning. Can there really be anything more important in our society today?
11-05-2005, 11:54 AM #14Registered User
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shadowangel ... good work on the kids' booth at your festival. I think our local LE does a pretty good job on that. They used to go out to the grade schools fairly early in the school year and fingerprint... the first graders (I think). Anyway, parents (even adults need to do this) need to be drilled on the importance of keeping GOOD, EASY TO SEE, CLOSE-UP photos of their kids and updating them about every 6 months or so. It's sad to see on the "missing" files that the only photos available for some people are very poor. Also, if I were a parent and my kid had a distinguishing birth mark or a scar, I would take a very detailed picture of that as well.
11-05-2005, 12:28 PM #15
I would get my kids Lo-Jacked, if I could. To me, I see child abduction as a form of terrorism in a way...My 14 year-old wants to walk from to school to a friend's home, just a few short blocks away, and I can't do it because I am so afraid of what might happen (and my kid's a monster---5'10 and over 180 pounds...)