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    CA - A missing woman and child, Santa Cruz, 10 September 2016

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    No names? Why does someone think they are missing? Was the surf high?

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    This is a fun place to watch surfers. Here's a surf cam. I wonder how long they hold the recordings and if there are other cameras that might have spotted them elsewhere.

    http://www.surfline.com/surf-report/...lifornia_4188/

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    This is probably one of the most popular destination points in Santa Cruz. Lots of people taking lots of pictures.

    Here's a public Santa Cruz Facebook account. This woman pictured might be the one mentioned in a post about a woman and little girl(under the "Acoustic Sunset" posting.

    https://www.facebook.com/santacruzwaves/

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    The baby's name is Joan Wieland, 1. Mom is Alice Wieland, 38. But, it is not a legit Amber Alert. They made up those posters themselves.

    https://www.facebook.com/THEPURPLETI...=3&pnref=story

    "Mother and child went missing from the lighthouse beach in santa cruz, left purse, wallet, ID, baby bag , left diapers and blankets.. Lather Wieland, the father says he is worried something bad has happened."

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    Quote Originally Posted by GigTu View Post
    This is probably one of the most popular destination points in Santa Cruz. Lots of people taking lots of pictures.

    Here's a public Santa Cruz Facebook account. This woman pictured might be the one mentioned in a post about a woman and little girl(under the "Acoustic Sunset" posting.

    https://www.facebook.com/santacruzwaves/
    Good work! I think you're right. Doing a little googling, there's something strange about this. No word from LE. No MSM. Just family using an Amber Alert logo to publicize this on FB...and there's no amber alert. So technically on WS it's rumor. Usually LE takes a missing Mom and child seriously, but family and a friend(?) who posted to a TV station says they aren't. I find that hard to believe. I hope they're OK. It doesn't sound good, but until there's some word from LE we're kind of stuck. I'll keep an eye out for a story we can discuss.
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    DISCUSSION:http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sho...2#post10750872

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    Maybe she took this opportunity to take her daughter and run off from him for their safety. Do shelters let LE know a woman is safe if there's an associated MP case?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lilibet View Post
    Good work! I think you're right. Doing a little googling, there's something strange about this. No word from LE. No MSM. Just family using an Amber Alert logo to publicize this on FB...and there's no amber alert. So technically on WS it's rumor. Usually LE takes a missing Mom and child seriously, but family and a friend(?) who posted to a TV station says they aren't. I find that hard to believe. I hope they're OK. It doesn't sound good, but until there's some word from LE we're kind of stuck. I'll keep an eye out for a story we can discuss.
    There are bits of MSM covering it. I've captured everything I could find that was legit.

    1/2 of me feels like this isn't a MP case, but that of a family who had a fight and she's hunkered down til things calm. Just a hunch based on all I've read. I've been from Santa Cruz to Washington to Illinois. That's all I'm saying, but once those dots are connected a bit of a picture is formed.

    On the other hand, the surf and swells are nothing to ignore. If they ended up near the water a search party needs to do some work ASAP!

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    Quote Originally Posted by GigTu View Post
    Maybe she took this opportunity to take her daughter and run off from him for their safety. Do shelters let LE know a woman is safe if there's an associated MP case?
    That's certainly possible that she took off, either for safety or mental health reasons (post partum issues perhaps). I expect that if LE contacts shelters, the shelter would let LE know she's safe. I'm not sure if they'd do it otherwise. In this case, a shelter might not have heard about her yet.
    FOUR YEARS IS 1460 DAYS TOO LONG!!
    SOMEBODY SOMEWHERE KNOWS SOMETHING! SPEAK UP!
    STEPHANIE ANNE WARNER, 43, RUCH, OREGON

    MISSING & PRESUMED MURDERED July 4, 2013
    LENNIE AMES NAMED SUSPECT
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    Crime Stoppers of So. Oregon 800-850-0580

    DISCUSSION:http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sho...2#post10750872

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    We just hope she and the baby girl are okay. Naturally. I guess we wait and see what develops.

    Thanks Lillibet.


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    Maybe there will be news in the morning. I hope they're OK. Thanks for your good research.
    FOUR YEARS IS 1460 DAYS TOO LONG!!
    SOMEBODY SOMEWHERE KNOWS SOMETHING! SPEAK UP!
    STEPHANIE ANNE WARNER, 43, RUCH, OREGON

    MISSING & PRESUMED MURDERED July 4, 2013
    LENNIE AMES NAMED SUSPECT
    Anonymous Tips? Reward up to $1000
    Crime Stoppers of So. Oregon 800-850-0580

    DISCUSSION:http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sho...2#post10750872

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    Here is Alice and her husband's Facebook page. I'm perplexed. The husband and his sister seem genuinely worried. He has a lot to say about LE not taking this seriously. I agree that it may be a case of her trying to get away, and I hope so. However, I'm also nervous that it's a real disappearance and it's not being taken seriously because of the possible transient lifestyle of the victims. Just my opinion.
    https://www.facebook.com/alice.wieland.9

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    Hmmm I don't know what to think.
    I think she's missing out of her own accord.
    Where ever she and baby are, I hope they are safe.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BlkMtnGirl View Post
    Here is Alice and her husband's Facebook page. I'm perplexed. The husband and his sister seem genuinely worried. He has a lot to say about LE not taking this seriously. I agree that it may be a case of her trying to get away, and I hope so. However, I'm also nervous that it's a real disappearance and it's not being taken seriously because of the possible transient lifestyle of the victims. Just my opinion.
    https://www.facebook.com/alice.wieland.9
    The Facebook was edifying. The wife may be using up to 4 different last names. They are sovereign citizens who do not believe a drivers license is necessary to travel. And 'concerned' husband last shared a meme about how "there's nothing better than a native woman." I hope at this point that Alice is safe and needed to get away.

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    They originally came from IL. There's a bit of history there as well, which causes me to think she left on her own accord.

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