1257 users online (277 members and 980 guests)  


Websleuths News


Page 1 of 2 1 2 LastLast
Results 1 to 15 of 23
  1. #1
    Join Date
    Sep 2011
    Posts
    2,303

    California wants to pull this doctor's license (Battle over Vaccinations)

    California wants to pull this doctor's license. Here's how it's sparked a new battle over child vaccinations
    http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/l...nap-story.html

    Dr. Robert Sears is one of the leading voices in the anti-vaccination world, a hero to parents suspicious of childhood immunizations that public health officials say are crucial to preventing disease outbreaks.

    So when the Medical Board of California announced last week that it was moving to pull the Orange County pediatrician’s medical license, it immediately set the stage for a new battle in the long-running fight over whether schoolchildren should be vaccinated.

    At the heart of the case is whether Sears used sound medical practices when he wrote a doctor’s note for a 2-year-old boy, saying he should have “no more routine childhood vaccines for the duration of his childhood.” In its six-page accusation, the medical board said Sears made that conclusion without obtaining even basic medical information, such as a detailed history of vaccines the boy previously received and any reactions that occurred, before deciding to recommend against future immunizations.
    IMO

    First they came for the communists and I did not speak out because I was not a communist.
    Then they came for the trade unionists and I did not speak out because I was not a trade unionist.
    Then they came for the Jews and I did not speak out because I was not a Jew.
    Finally, they came for me and there was no one left to speak out.

    Martin Niemöller
    prominent German anti-Nazi theologian and pastor

  2. #2
    Join Date
    Nov 2010
    Location
    Up North
    Posts
    5,373
    Here is the actual complaint-- 6 pages. Plaintiff Kimberly Kirchmeyer is the Executive Director of the Medical Board.

    http://documents.latimes.com/medical...-robert-sears/

  3. #3
    Join Date
    Oct 2009
    Posts
    13,203
    Child hit on head with hammer?

  4. #4
    Join Date
    Nov 2010
    Location
    Up North
    Posts
    5,373
    IMO, it will be very interesting to watch where this "vaccination war" goes in California. I predict it will eventually end up before the SCOTUS. The main issue is autonomy of medical decision making, versus the effect of that personal decision on the health and well-being of the unsuspecting public-- some of whom are medically vulnerable. The public has no way to gauge their level of risk of exposure to those who are voluntarily unvaccinated, and carrying communicable diseases.

    Ultimately, I think we will have to consider some societal limits, restrictions, and identifiers, to be placed on those who voluntarily choose not to immunize. Along with some level of compulsory disclosure-- as courts found in cases of those with HIV who were concealing that from unsuspecting sexual partners. I know that's very Orwellian "big brother", but I don't know that there is a safe and practical way to accommodate large numbers of voluntarily unvaccinated children in traditional public schools, alongside other children who are vaccinated, some of whom are medically vulnerable. The risk of widespread outbreaks of disease is simply too high-- especially considering the population density in some areas of California. Maybe California will have to consider building segregated school buildings or wings for unvaccinated children, or accommodate them in online classes, or something, to contain the exposure risk of others-- if the population of unvaccinated kids is large enough. The parents of the OTHER kids have a right to know, IMO, about exposure risk for their own kids. Especially medically vulnerable kids. They have rights, too.

    That also begs the question, do American children (especially children of wealthy and educated parents) have any legal "rights" to be protected and free from preventable communicable diseases? I could see this as a constitutional challenge. That would be interesting to hear lawyers debate.

    I think that the "anti-vaxxers" right to have choice, medical autonomy for their kids, ends with the rights of others to be free from unnecessary and unanticipated exposure to communicable and preventable diseases. This isn't just one parent making a medical choice for their child-- their decision affects others. That's the difference. IMO. This isn't something like choosing, or not choosing, circumcision.

    Issues like this really reinforce the idea that ours is a society in decline, IMO. SMH. Sad and frustrating.

    Yes, the California Medical Board is definitely "out to get" Dr. Sears, no doubt in my mind. But I also think they are right to do so. They will make an example of him-- or at least force the issues of shopping for, and providing, intentionally deceptive "doctor's notes" out into widespread public discussion.

  5. #5
    Join Date
    Oct 2009
    Posts
    13,203
    Very long but very good on vaccinations. Some pediatricins are refusing patients that refuse to vaccinate.

    I live in a country now that has universal healthcare. Children are not required to be vaccinated. But if they are not, they no longer will receive healthcare. The antivax movement seems to be all over if it is in the Third World Nation where I Live.

    http://pediatrics.aappublications.or...peds.2016-2146

  6. #6
    Join Date
    Aug 2016
    Location
    France
    Posts
    84
    Children are not required to be vaccinated. But if they are not, they no longer will receive healthcare
    I am not sure I understood correctly. Does it mean that parents are not required to vax, but if they refuse to vax, any kind of healthcare is out of the pocket ? Does it mean that the antivaxer will have to incur any future medical cost entirely out of the pocket, for example paying any ICU, dialysis, chemio stay out of the pocket without any money from the States ?
    Did I understand correctly ?

  7. #7
    Join Date
    Oct 2009
    Posts
    13,203
    Quote Originally Posted by Giucy View Post
    I am not sure I understood correctly. Does it mean that parents are not required to vax, but if they refuse to vax, any kind of healthcare is out of the pocket ? Does it mean that the antivaxer will have to incur any future medical cost entirely out of the pocket, for example paying any ICU, dialysis, chemio stay out of the pocket without any money from the States ?
    Did I understand correctly ?
    I do not live in the US anymore. That is correct. In the country I live in, there will be no free healthcare if no vax is chosen.

  8. #8
    Join Date
    Aug 2016
    Location
    France
    Posts
    84
    Is this policy apply for medically-exempted children, for ex one with HIV ? Or when some vaccines are contraindicated due to immunosuppressive meds ? (MMR is absolutely contraindicated with immunosuppressants, for ex)

    I see parents being bankrupt after a stay at hospital for the child because of their refusal to vaccinate !! They might also ask for fake medical exemptions in order to bypass this policy.
    So, if their child had to stay in ICU + having dialysis because of HUS after a food poisoning, how much would it cost ? More or less.

    I wish my country had a similar policy !

  9. #9
    Join Date
    Oct 2009
    Posts
    13,203
    Quote Originally Posted by Giucy View Post
    Is this policy apply for medically-exempted children, for ex one with HIV ? Or when some vaccines are contraindicated due to immunosuppressive meds ? (MMR is absolutely contraindicated with immunosuppressants, for ex)
    I have no idea. Here is something on France and Australia. http://www.smh.com.au/world/french-c...08-gm1thy.html

  10. #10
    Join Date
    Aug 2016
    Location
    France
    Posts
    84
    I know this case in France, but thank you anyway.
    In France, medical exemptions are perfectly acceptable if you have HIV, or if immunosuppressive meds contraindicates some vaccines (children on steroids cannot get live vaccines as the MMR, it would be fatal to them).

    However, if a family loses its subsidized healthcare because of refusing to vax. The child ends up in ICU for a food poisoning, needs dialysis and so forth, how much would it cost in Australia ?
    Here, it can easily cost around 3000€ a day, which is insanely expensive.


  11. #11
    Join Date
    Oct 2009
    Posts
    13,203
    Quote Originally Posted by Giucy View Post
    I know this case in France, but thank you anyway.
    In France, medical exemptions are perfectly acceptable if you have HIV, or if immunosuppressive meds contraindicates some vaccines (children on steroids cannot get live vaccines as the MMR, it would be fatal to them).

    However, if a family loses its subsidized healthcare because of refusing to vax. The child ends up in ICU for a food poisoning, needs dialysis and so forth, how much would it cost in Australia ?
    Here, it can easily cost around 3000€ a day, which is insanely expensive.
    I imagine there would be medical exemptions. That only makes sense. Are you saying people should have the choice to vax or not?

  12. #12
    Join Date
    Aug 2014
    Location
    Under a bridge
    Posts
    9,320
    Quote Originally Posted by human View Post
    I do not live in the US anymore. That is correct. In the country I live in, there will be no free healthcare if no vax is chosen.
    The problem I have with this is the child is likely the one who will suffer for the parents' decision.

  13. #13
    Join Date
    Nov 2010
    Location
    Up North
    Posts
    5,373
    Another brief thread from last year:

    http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sho...using+patients

    http://www.cbsnews.com/news/many-ped...ated-patients/

    Many pediatricians refuse unvaccinated patients

    To determine how widespread the practice of dismissing unvaccinated patients is, O'Leary and his team of researchers surveyed 815 pediatricians and family physicians in 2012. Of the 66 percent of doctors who responded, most said it was generally rare for a parent to refuse to vaccinate their child.

    But when that does happen, 21 percent of pediatricians and 4 percent of family physicians in the survey reported that they "always" or "often" dismiss these families.

  14. #14
    Join Date
    Oct 2009
    Posts
    13,203
    Quote Originally Posted by bluesneakers View Post
    The problem I have with this is the child is likely the one who will suffer for the parents' decision.
    The parents do not get health care either,

  15. #15
    Join Date
    Aug 2014
    Location
    Under a bridge
    Posts
    9,320
    Quote Originally Posted by human View Post
    The parents do not get health care either,
    It's their decision though. A child isn't the one refusing to be vaccinated - so there's a chance if a kid gets sick (whether related to being vaccinated or not) he or she won't get medical treatment because it's too expensive.

Page 1 of 2 1 2 LastLast


Similar Threads

  1. Replies: 1
    Last Post: 01-01-2014, 12:54 PM
  2. California pain doctor duped by dog X-ray in sting
    By Steely Dan in forum Bizarre and Off-Beat News
    Replies: 1
    Last Post: 07-19-2012, 08:31 AM
  3. Octomom's Doctor Loses Medical License
    By Steely Dan in forum Up to the Minute
    Replies: 3
    Last Post: 06-02-2011, 09:37 AM
  4. TN - Tennessee Gives Medical License To Sex Offender Doctor
    By Texas Mist in forum Crimes-Spotlight on Children
    Replies: 15
    Last Post: 01-29-2010, 12:58 AM
  5. FL - Medical board revokes license of abortion doctor
    By Linda7NJ in forum Crimes-Spotlight on Children
    Replies: 22
    Last Post: 02-13-2009, 05:34 PM