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    Was Burke Involved? # 4

    Welcome to thread # 4 of "Was Burke Involved?"

    It will be interesting to read how many of you have changed your opinion of Burke after watching two out of the three interviews with Burke and Dr. Phil.

    What a lot of people came away with (myself included) is how in the world could Lin Wood or John Ramsey allow Burke to be interviewed?

    Burke is an adult so perhaps there was nothing they could do to stop him. However, I got the impression that Burke would rather be anywhere else in the world than with Dr. Phil answering questions.

    Continue posting and thank you for participating.

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    COUNT IV(a):

    On or about December 25 and December 26, 1996, in Boulder County, Colorado, John Bennett Ramsey did unlawfully, knowingly, recklessly and feloniously permit a child to be unreasonably placed in a situation which posed a threat of injury to the child's life or health, which resulted in the death of JonBenet Ramsey, a child under the age of sixteen.

    As to COUNT IVa), Child Abuse Resulting in Death.

    A TRUE BILL
    (signature redacted)

    Patsy's GJ indictment reads exactly the same. I don't know the COUNT number, but it is irrelevant to this discussion.

    Let's dissect. On these 2 days (both or either) John knowingly allowed JBR to be in dangerous situation and she died as a result.

    So did PR.


    COUNT VII

    On or about December 25 and December 26, 1996, in Boulder County, Colorado, John Bennet Ramsey did unlawfully, knowingly, recklessly, and feloniously render assistance to a person, with intent to hinder, delay and prevent the discovery, detention, apprehension, prosecution, conviction and punishment of such person for the commission of a crime, knowing the person being assisted had committed and was suspected of the crime of Murder in the First Degree and Child Abuse Resulting in Death.
    As to Count VII, Accessory to a Crime:

    A TRUE BILL
    (signature redacted)


    I am struggling with the last 6 words of the charge in Count VII. Can a child of 9.9 years commit 'child abuse' against a 6 year old?
    Last edited by TeaTime; 09-24-2016 at 08:09 PM.

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    The point of the forums is to comb through evidence, discuss different suspects/theories, to learn more about the case, etc. I'm sure most people have one person in mind who they think did it, but that doesn't lessen the fact that it's still a cold case.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mauidreemn View Post
    If you believe BDI, that Burke did it, then maybe it's time to shut these forums down. It isn't possible for him to ever be charged and everything is pure speculation.
    The point of the forums is to comb through evidence, discuss different suspects/theories, to learn more about the case, etc. I'm sure most people have one person in mind who they think did it, but that doesn't lessen the fact that it's still a cold case.

    (sorry for the double post)

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    Quote Originally Posted by mauidreemn View Post
    Of course, but most follow Kolar's book as do most on this website. We try to discuss things, other culprits and opinions but most here believe BDI. After all these years, I'm trying to understand why anyone that believes Burke did it would still continue to discuss this case. It seems very strange and slightly pathological.
    Because it's not officially solved yet. And just because he can't be charged doesn't mean that when all the pieces are finally figured out and put together, if they point to him, that the case cannot be closed with him as the known perpetrator.

    Let's rewind and assume he did it and it was figured out within hours of it happening and there was no coverup (or it fell apart). Would the case forever remained open because he couldn't be charged with murder even if it was known he did it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by TeaTime View Post
    COUNT IV(a):

    On or about December 25 and December 26, 1996, in Boulder County, Colorado, John Bennett Ramsey did unlawfully, knowingly, recklessly and feloniously permit a child to be unreasonably placed in a situation which posed a threat of injury to the child's life or health, which resulted in the death of JonBenet Ramsey, a child under the age of sixteen.

    As to COUNT IVa), Child Abuse Resulting in Death.

    A TRUE BILL
    (signature redacted)

    Patsy's GJ indictment reads exactly the same. I don't know the COUNT number, but it is irrelevant to this discussion.

    Let's dissect. On these 2 days (both or either) John knowingly allowed JBR to be in dangerous situation and she died as a result.

    So did PR.


    COUNT VII

    On or about December 25 and December 26, 1996, in Boulder County, Colorado, John Bennet Ramsey did unlawfully, knowingly, recklessly, and feloniously render assistance to a person, with intent to hinder, delay and prevent the discovery, detention, apprehension, prosecution, conviction and punishment of such person for the commission of a crime, knowing the person being assisted had committed and was suspected of the crime of Murder in the First Degree and Child Abuse Resulting in Death.
    As to Count VII, Accessory to a Crime:

    A TRUE BILL
    (signature redacted)


    I am struggling with the last 6 words of the charge in Count VII. Can a child of 9.9 years commit 'child abuse' against a 6 year old?
    re-posted.

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    We continue to discuss, with respect, and seek any new information available. We avoid name-called, blaming, put-downs and derision. That sort of behavior keeps us away from other crime forums & happily and respectfully discussing here on WebSleuths.

    Perhaps you would enjoy the Lyle Stevick or Sand Canyon Doe discussions more?

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    I believe BDI, but I'm open to hearing other theories, I also keep up on the case by lurking here, it's still an open case and you're right, Burke can't be charged and no one will ever go to jail, but I believe we may get the truth one day.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mauidreemn View Post
    Is this a discussion about the death of Jonbenet Ramsey? Secondly, is this a discussion on whether Burke was involved?
    The latter would be correct- was BR involved.


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    Quote Originally Posted by mauidreemn View Post
    Of course, but most follow Kolar's book as do most on this website. We try to discuss things, other culprits and opinions but most here believe BDI. After all these years, I'm trying to understand why anyone that believes Burke did it would still continue to discuss this case. It seems very strange and slightly pathological.
    Quote Originally Posted by mauidreemn View Post
    I have NEVER called anyone a name or been derogatory in any way shape or form. Yesterday, I had someone tell me that I could be the writer of the ransom note. I don't know what happened to Jonbenet but every single time I revisit this case, my heart breaks. That is the one thing I know for sure
    I struggle to reconcile these statements.


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    Quote Originally Posted by TeaTime View Post
    COUNT IV(a):

    On or about December 25 and December 26, 1996, in Boulder County, Colorado, John Bennett Ramsey did unlawfully, knowingly, recklessly and feloniously permit a child to be unreasonably placed in a situation which posed a threat of injury to the child's life or health, which resulted in the death of JonBenet Ramsey, a child under the age of sixteen.

    As to COUNT IVa), Child Abuse Resulting in Death.

    A TRUE BILL
    (signature redacted)

    Patsy's GJ indictment reads exactly the same. I don't know the COUNT number, but it is irrelevant to this discussion.

    Let's dissect. On these 2 days (both or either) John knowingly allowed JBR to be in dangerous situation and she died as a result.

    So did PR.


    COUNT VII

    On or about December 25 and December 26, 1996, in Boulder County, Colorado, John Bennet Ramsey did unlawfully, knowingly, recklessly, and feloniously render assistance to a person, with intent to hinder, delay and prevent the discovery, detention, apprehension, prosecution, conviction and punishment of such person for the commission of a crime, knowing the person being assisted had committed and was suspected of the crime of Murder in the First Degree and Child Abuse Resulting in Death.
    As to Count VII, Accessory to a Crime:

    A TRUE BILL
    (signature redacted)


    I am struggling with the last 6 words of the charge in Count VII. Can a child of 9.9 years commit 'child abuse' against a 6 year old?
    I'll bite. Insofar as child abuse goes, yes I believe a child can commit child abuse if said child is the older of the two. OTOH Burke, at 9.9 years old could neither commit murder, nor commit child abuse, due to the fact that he could not form a criminal intent at his young age, according to the law. So, it would have been equally valid, in my mind, to either infer he did both, or neither.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mauidreemn View Post
    The behavior seems pathological. If you believe Burke did it,then why continue discussing it? As this forum has been around for TWENTY years. TWENTY years!
    Yes, and it took BR 20 years to ever grant an interview. So.... that fuels discussion.


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    Quote Originally Posted by observation View Post
    Yes, and it took BR 20 years to ever grant an interview. So.... that fuels discussion.


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    My thoughts exactly.

    Burke is talking, so therefore we are talking about Burke. I don't constantly stick to one concrete theory. I've learned a lot of new things since I joined the forum a few months ago.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mauidreemn View Post
    That is not true
    PUBLIC interview- I assumed you knew that already. My mistake.


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    Quote Originally Posted by mauidreemn View Post
    No I don't. I've not singled out anyone. I think continuing to point the finger at a 9yr old child for twenty years with no evidence to back it up is pathological. Do you think it's pathological? Or maybe obsessive? How would you feel if your 9yr old was accused for years like this?
    I'd feel worse about killing my sister. But that's just me. Burke seems amused by it all.

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