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    Quote Originally Posted by smeck View Post
    I cannot even imagine forgetting a child or a pet in the car. It is unfathomable to me. Forget about traffic, forget about breakfast and forget about being preoccupied....no reason makes any sense to me.

    I'm sadden that people actually do, it is hard to fathom


    This post is my opinion only, and is subject to making me look totally confused

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    Quote Originally Posted by GA_Peach View Post
    Have you ever been to the intersection near the CFA, The Home Depot's HQ, and the Tree House? If you are extremely familiar with that intersection, please forgive the following explanation. According to the time stamp on CFA's surveillance video, Ross left CFA at 9:19. By that time, congestion from rush hour has cleared out of the area. Cooper's death also occurred in June, a time when schools are not in session in Atlanta. Traffic here is consistently and signficantly lighter during the summer months.

    Aside from all of that, Ross's chosen route to his office would not have been possible if traffic was heavy! Ross had three options for how to depart from CFA:

    1) Make a right onto Cumberland Pkwy. and make an illegal U-turn
    2) Use the extended drive that is to the right of CFA when looking at the front door, take an immediate left at the bottom of the hill, and then turn left onto Cumberland Pkwy. (this is the legal and recommended way to exit CFA when turning left on Cumberland Pkwy.)
    3) Use the extended drive that is to the right of CFA when looking at the front door, proceed straight at the bottom of the hill, and then use the traffic light to turn left onto Cumberland Pkwy.

    If traffic was super heavy, a U-turn would not have possible. As I have stated previously, I have driven through that particular intersection at least 1,000 times and can assure you that I have experienced that light both with and without traffic. When traffic is not moving, drivers do not even attempt to make that U-turn. Commuters in Atlanta are not polite, and nobody would allow a car to turn illegally. Furthermore, any traffic on Cumberland Pwky. would have opened up as soon as Ross cleared the intersection. Based on the above information, a person can conclude beyond a reasonable doubt that traffic was not an issue on Ross's "commute" to work. On top of that, the reported time stamps on both surveillance videos, which make Ross's entire trip 6 minutes, is exactly what I would have expected if Ross caught the light at the intersection.

    On a related note, if Ross's "commute" was significantly altered due to traffic, don't you think that we would have heard about it by now?
    We may need to keep this post handy because you know it will come up again...what about traffic, I was in traffic once and it took a lot longer to get where I was going. LOL

  3. #33
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    Yes, of course the burden of proof is on the prosecution. What I am saying, is you seem to believe the searches didn't really happen, simply because the defense says they didn't. OF COURSE they are going to say that! They aren't going to agree. We haven't even come to that batch of evidence being presented and scrutinized, yet. Why not wait until that happens, before it's assumed the detective is lying? I just find it strange that the defense is believed so readily, before we've even reached that part of the trial. Accusing a detective of lying before it's presented in this trial is really lofty. I don't think either side can or should be accepted as fact right now. (IMO.) I have my own opinions, but if the evidence shows something else...well, I've been wrong before.
    I have a feeling that the term "searches" is going to be a matter of debate at trial. As in, when is a search a search? Does one have to enter a search term in Google or whatever for an online looksie into info to be considered a search? Or, is clicking on a link that is on an existing open page then following that link considered a search? Is there a difference in interest of intent that can be assigned based on how a page or video is accessed?

    In all seriousness, it would be easy for anyone looking at my search history to conclude I have quite the interest in murders, trials, laws relating to all manner of evil deeds, what life is like in prison, what kind of visitation is allowed in prison, even what various prisons sell in their commissaries.

    I can assure you I have never committed any crime of any kind, but woe would be me, I guess, if I became a suspect in a crime, had my computer searched, and had the misfortune of having just researched a crime that matched the one I was being suspected of, lol.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hope4More View Post
    I have a feeling that the term "searches" is going to be a matter of debate at trial. As in, when is a search a search? Does one have to enter a search term in Google or whatever for an online looksie into info to be considered a search? Or, is clicking on a link that is on an existing open page then following that link considered a search? Is there a difference in interest of intent that can be assigned based on how a page or video is accessed?

    In all seriousness, it would be easy for anyone looking at my search history to conclude I have quite the interest in murders, trials, laws relating to all manner of evil deeds, what life is like in prison, what kind of visitation is allowed in prison, even what various prisons sell in their commissaries.

    I can assure you I have never committed any crime of any kind, but woe would be me, I guess, if I became a suspect in a crime, had my computer searched, and had the misfortune of having just researched a crime that matched the one I was being suspected of, lol.
    I think it will be one of the most important parts of the trial. Say he was watching a news story about something else, and clicked on a story about dogs in cars. That would be good for the defense. If he went to an engine and typed how long it takes for a dog or kid to die in the car...that's not so good. I'm interested in how it will shake out.

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    I admit to wondering how many posters seem to be in RH corner. I know it's important to wait on the evidence in a trial, before drawing a conclusion. I am in the RH did it group. Seeing how close RH's work was has certainly swayed my opinion as to his guilt.

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    It was interesting to listen to the Probable Cause Hearing. ** I found out who the person that both State & Def spoke to Witness Hamilton - the man who had been at Subway. He spoke about a black man named Leonard Madden who he saw on local news interview. (I sure everyone else knew but I am just now following the trial)

    Leonard Madden, was a witness at the Prob Cause Hearing. What made me laugh (ok I was tired) was that he spoke of his lunch date and called her his "associate". I was like omg lol I grabbed my notes, this is the man that Witness #5 A. Eastland was with. She also referenced him as "an associate" not a date and did not remember his name/spoke to him since. She is the witness that testimony didn't match that that she had given Det Murphy? in a recorded interview. She had also testified she forgot about that interview until just this questioning. She was let step down from stand and go refresh/listen to her testimony and return to stand.

    Witness #5 orig told that she said it was grief setting in for him, what had happened. Panic. Also that she observed RH giving CPR.
    JMHO

    Also it was interesting to me after watch that Prob Cause Hearing, to go relisten to the Def Opening Statements. *I still want to listen to the Pretrial Hearing in Aug. But there were inconsistent statements in Stoddard testimony in that PC and from what LEO Witness so far have stated.

    Also, JMHO it seems that RH was on the phone/internet late night prior and also that morning. Per the PC hearing it was stated that RH had been using the forward facing carseat until 2 weeks prior when his wife swapped out with rear facing, she went on a trip home to Alabama. Also stated that normal days RH would drop Cooper off at daycare then he would go to CF then to work.
    PC hearing was July 3, 2014*
    Think it will be interesting trial for sure. JMHO

    *another tid bit that I feel the Def will bring back up is in May of that year the Gov of GA had started a campaign about looking in car and that they had seen on the Fox8 news? Stoddard was not aware of the campaign. Again I sure this is old but interesting seeing to me. Here is an old article, not the channel that was spoken about but the campaign.

    "AUGUSTA, GA (WFXG) -
    Gov. Nathan Deal and several state agencies are asking people to Look Again in a new YouTube video. The campaign is to help raise awareness about leaving children unattended in hot cars during the summer. (has a video) http://www.walb.com/story/25623267/g...hes-look-again
    Last edited by arkansasmimi; 10-07-2016 at 12:34 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by blue22 View Post
    I think it will be one of the most important parts of the trial. Say he was watching a news story about something else, and clicked on a story about dogs in cars. That would be good for the defense. If he went to an engine and typed how long it takes for a dog or kid to die in the car...that's not so good. I'm interested in how it will shake out.
    I watched the PC hearing last night and (I do understand the role of the Def Attorney) but at that hearing same Def Attorney as has been speaking at trial went through various stuff about searches of computers/phones. Stoddard testimony was mostly that he didnt know or have the info. Again it was interesting.

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    This aerial view was taken from Google Earth. I have marked each place of interest on the map (starting on the far left):

    1) The Home Depot Store Support Center (AKA The Home Depot HQ) - Location of Cooper's daycare
    2) Publix - Location where Ross ate lunch
    3) Chick-Fil-A - where Ross and Cooper ate breakfast
    4) Treehouse Parking Lot - Ross's office; the actual building is hidden behind the trees but would be immediately under the parking lot on the map
    5) The Home Depot where Ross purchased the light bulbs at lunch

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    "Orig post by magnolia : I can hardly wait for the Kilgore/Stoddard moment in the court-room. I think it's going to be an eye-opener. IMO http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sho...8#post12854438 "

    Agree. Especially since lol Stoddard was in the courtroom during the Defense Opening Statements, and Kilgore pointed him out numerous times to the Jury! JMHO ** I also thought that was odd that he was allowed to be in there. Has he gotten to continue to be in there, does anyone know? Monday if they bring back Gillimore, I think that will be interesting JMHO

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    At the PC Hearing, Stoddard testified when asked that there were NO emotions by RH while in back of patrol car (not true) Stated did not cry when in the interview room alone (not true)

    Under Def Kilgore cross:
    Orig Warrant was Cruelty to a Child 1st Degree.
    Kilgore: When was cruelty to child?
    Stoddard: When left in car all day
    Kilgore: Warrant doesn't alledge that act was intentional
    Stoddard: Correct
    Kilgore: If not intentional, then would you agree non-intentional?
    Stoddard: thinks evidence now shows intent

    6/24/16 put to 2nd Degree < was changed to when the murder charge added, Stoddard said multiple pieces of evidence, and primarily how the charge 2nd degree worded

    Thought it was interesting that RH and Winston both forgot about going to Home Depot. Kilgore went through all the day and everything RH told LEo and they all checked out.

    When asked if Stoddard knew whether RH had any physical limitations, Stoddard said if he had any he wouldn't be able to drive a car. Stoddard or Piper neither one so far knew of RH being deaf in R ear.

    RESEARCH is Stoddard word he agrees

    Child Free - April 2014, clicked on did not type in Search
    How to Survive in Prison - typed in Search but (as of that July 3, 2014 PC hearing) they did not have date searched
    Video by a vet that was shared on various social media June 13 accessed, but did not Google it (Stoddard says he couldn't say) Says watched twice. Does not have a time when watched just date,
    Could it be he clicked to resume? Stoddard: Cant say

    Makes me think of flashbacks of Casey Anthony and computer searches then to find out the information given to State by software person was incorrect. Not correct number of searches as the jury heard testimony was lead to believe. JMHO


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    Quote Originally Posted by Jinkasaurus View Post
    I consider myself an agnostic at this point when it comes to whether RH intentionally left Cooper in the car.

    While the close distance between CF and where RH parked for work makes it seem that it would be impossible for him to forget Cooper, we don't know what was going on in RH's mind during that whole morning.

    While he may have been going through the motions of taking care of Cooper (taking him to breakfast, etc), that doesn't mean that his mind was focused on those tasks. He could have been completely preoccupied with something else. If he wasn't deeply mentally engaged with his son that morning, and merely just "going through the motions" so to speak, then it seems plausible to me that his mind did drift away from Cooper during that short drive.

    If that was the case, then it shouldn't matter if it was a 1 minute drive, or a 10 minute drive to the day care.
    Right. But if it is true that he was not really paying attention to his toddler, and his mind drifted away because he was not fully engaged, then that should result in a GUILTY verdict for the criminal neglect charge, in my opinion. Babies are totally dependent upon their caregivers to keep them alive and safe each day. In fact, each minute. Anything can go wrong. My 18 month old almost choked on a penny that she put in her mouth ,and it took my 4 yr old to warn me about it. We need to be FULLY ENGAGED with our young children in order to keep them safe.
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    Thank you to whomever it was that posted the AJC link. I found them all very interesting and easy to understand and follow. 3 goes over the charges and RH wife http://breakdown.myajc.com/episode/episode-3/ Interesting #4 it speaks about the Lawyers and Judge. Kilgore was once a  DA for Cobb Cty http://breakdown.myajc.com/episode/episode-4/

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    I think it's important to consider how putrid his son would have smelled. Decomposition would have been vastly accelerated in a hot car and the stench would singe your nostrils like none other.
    I can't imagine him driving anywhere without immediately knowing something was so wrong, he'd search his car before driving off from work.
    We're talking a smell that would have been horrific upon first opening the car door.

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    Quote Originally Posted by arkansasmimi View Post
    At the PC Hearing, Stoddard testified when asked that there were NO emotions by RH while in back of patrol car (not true) Stated did not cry when in the interview room alone (not true)

    Under Def Kilgore cross:
    Orig Warrant was Cruelty to a Child 1st Degree.
    Kilgore: When was cruelty to child?
    Stoddard: When left in car all day
    Kilgore: Warrant doesn't alledge that act was intentional
    Stoddard: Correct
    Kilgore: If not intentional, then would you agree non-intentional?
    Stoddard: thinks evidence now shows intent

    6/24/16 put to 2nd Degree < was changed to when the murder charge added, Stoddard said multiple pieces of evidence, and primarily how the charge 2nd degree worded

    Thought it was interesting that RH and Winston both forgot about going to Home Depot. Kilgore went through all the day and everything RH told LEo and they all checked out.

    When asked if Stoddard knew whether RH had any physical limitations, Stoddard said if he had any he wouldn't be able to drive a car. Stoddard or Piper neither one so far knew of RH being deaf in R ear.

    RESEARCH is Stoddard word he agrees

    Child Free - April 2014, clicked on did not type in Search
    How to Survive in Prison - typed in Search but (as of that July 3, 2014 PC hearing) they did not have date searched
    Video by a vet that was shared on various social media June 13 accessed, but did not Google it (Stoddard says he couldn't say) Says watched twice. Does not have a time when watched just date,
    Could it be he clicked to resume? Stoddard: Cant say

    Makes me think of flashbacks of Casey Anthony and computer searches then to find out the information given to State by software person was incorrect. Not correct number of searches as the jury heard testimony was lead to believe. JMHO
    BBM.
    Please correct me if I'm wrong! I seem to remember at the hearing, that he said RH showed no genuine emotion or tears.

    I am interested to see how this internet stuff plays out. At the hearing, they didn't have most of the technology fully investigated, yet. I think many people are waiting to see if the evidence is really as bad as it sounded. It could play a big part.

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    Quote Originally Posted by arkansasmimi View Post
    Thank you to whomever it was that posted the AJC link. I found them all very interesting and easy to understand and follow. 3 goes over the charges and RH wife http://breakdown.myajc.com/episode/episode-3/ Interesting #4 it speaks about the Lawyers and Judge. Kilgore was once a  DA for Cobb Cty http://breakdown.myajc.com/episode/episode-4/

    Thanks for taking the time to review pretrial info and to post about it. Surely does contribute to having an informed discussion about case particulars.

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