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    Quote Originally Posted by arkansasmimi View Post
    I would tend to agree, just that no one else has noted that (or in their orig reporting)
    If I were on a jury, I would think it's common sense that there would be smell. Unless the defense has a tactic to prove there wasn't smell, I don't think documentation issues with play a huge part. JMO

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hope4More View Post
    Which, imo, they would have noted, if not in the chaotic and awful minutes of seeing Cooper the baby's dead body and what came next, then afterwards, when each replayed that scene again and again in their minds, each time processing and remembering a few more details.

    IMO there is little possibility that anyone who was within a few feet of that car, much less inside it, could possibly have not noticed the totally unique and extremely strong smell of decomp, even if they didn't know immediately what label to put on it.

    This is one of the points I believe is most hinky about LE's account. (Expecting stones to be thrown here, but....) IMO the "smell of death" is a detail LE likely added after the fact to bolster their case of malice murder.
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    Quote Originally Posted by blue22 View Post
    If I were on a jury, I would think it's common sense that there would be smell. Unless the defense has a tactic to prove there wasn't smell, I don't think documentation issues with play a huge part. JMO
    I guess my question about decomp odor would be the "time" factor. How long after death does it take for the horrible smell to become noticeable? Not to mention that, with a toddler in diapers, urine and/or feces would probably be excreted during the death process.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BetteDavisEyes View Post
    I guess my question about decomp odor would be the "time" factor. How long after death does it take for the horrible smell to become noticeable? Not to mention that, with a toddler in diapers, urine and/or feces would probably be excreted during the death process.
    These will be points that are very important to both sides, IMO especially the defense.

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    Showing photos of vehicle at crime scene inspection.

    Photograph from the front of the car, you can see the seat. From the driver side, you can see the seat.

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    1:59 p.m. State calls [today's] last witness, Carey Grimstead, to the stand. Grimstead is a detective at the Cobb County Police Department.

    2:03 p.m. Grimstead explains how 3D crime scene mapping works. Grimstead says they are always actively trying to improve their technology.

    2:12 p.m. Grimstead testified that when he looked into the car where Cooper Harris' body was found there was a sickly sweat smell. "It's an odor that I normally associate with death," Grimstead said. "It's a sickly sweat smell."

    2:15 p.m. Grimstead says his role was executing a search warrant on Harris' car.

    2:19 p.m. From the exterior of the drivers side of the vehicle, Grimstead says you can clearly see the child safety seat through the windshield.

    2:26 p.m. "I could see a computer bag, a Home Depot bag in the passenger seat and a child safety seat with my naked eye as I was I opened the driver's door," Grimstead stated.

    http://www.wsbtv.com/news/ross-harri...rial/456365088
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    Jen's Trial Diaries ‏@TrialDiariesJ 2m2 minutes ago
    If he grabbed his computer bag when going to work he saw the car seat...it's clear as day in pictures.

    Ross Harris Trial ‏@RossHarrisTrial 1m1 minute ago
    Grimstead says Home Depot receipt found in Harris' car shows light bulbs were purchased June 18, 2014 at 12:35 pm
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    Quote Originally Posted by JerseyGirl View Post

    10:26 a.m. Redmon, who was the general manager of the store, says he was familiar with Harris from his visits to Chick-fil-A. He considered Harris a regular there. He says he had met Harris about a dozen times in the past year.

    10:30 a.m. Redmon says he said hello to Harris and Cooper that morning when they walked up to the register. He says he had never met Cooper before so he asked Harris about him. Harris said his name was Cooper and Redmon said, 'Hey Coop,' before continuing with his work.
    Redmon says he had a quick interaction with Harris at Chick-fil-A the morning of his son's death. #HotCarDeath pic.twitter.com/czKFQAz9pw — Ross Harris Trial (@RossHarrisTrial) October 12, 2016

    10:36 a.m. Redmon says Harris, who usually appeared clean shaven, had a bit of a 5 o'clock shadow that day, something he called "unusual." Says he didn't notice anything else out of the ordinary.

    http://www.wsbtv.com/news/ross-harri...rial/456365088
    I wonder if this is the first and only time RH took CH into Chick-fil-A instead of the drive through?

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    These pictures are really bad for he defense, IMO. Really, really bad. If you cant' watch the live feed, I encourage you to go back and watch this testimony. This guy is a very good witness for the state, so far. Interested to see how the defense will cross.

    Noticed the prosecutor has noted the crime scene investigator's height several times. He is 6 feet tall. Do we know how toll RH is? Are they of similar heights?


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    Quote Originally Posted by JerseyGirl View Post
    I wonder if this is the first and only time RH took CH into Chick-fil-A instead of the drive through?
    Redmon testified he recognized Harris, estimating he had witnessed him in the restaurant around a dozen times. That morning was the first time he had seen him with Cooper, he said.

    http://www.ajc.com/news/breaking-new...UOJt6gaGz5fFL/

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hope4More View Post
    IMO the defense is making a strong case that LE mishandled the initial "crime" scene; for possible collusion (for lack of a more neutral term) between responding/reporting LE; for an unsupported assumption from the get go of RH's guilt, and that witness accounts seem to have been tailored after the fact to support LE's assertions about RH's behavior.

    If LE's conduct was the subject of this trial, imo an impartial jury would be hung or would vote to convict. Sadly for RH, no matter how successfully the defense destroys LE's credibility (if it does), this isn't a whodunnit or any other kind of case in which LE's conduct is integral to disproving (at least) some of the charges against RH.

    What the defense must understandably be most concerned about refuting is the State's charge of malice murder, and imo, impeaching LE's narrative about RH's behavior, etc. contributes to that goal.

    That said, nothing LE did or said changes the indisputable fact that Ross Harris is responsible for leaving Cooper, his barely a toddler son, in a hot car for 7 hours, to die a terrible death. IMO, the felony charge of 2nd degree cruelty to children is unaffected by anything the defense has or can do to destroy the credibility of LE.
    I still think there is a big problem with the felony murder charge, which relies on 2nd degree cruelty to children. I do not think they will be able to prove cruelty to children because it requires criminal negligence - and that requires gross negligence - they would essentially have to prove that Ross knew Cooper was in the car and left him there all day, disregarding the risk of serious injury or death.

    Have you listened to the AJC Breakdown podcast? They have a defense attorney and a prosecutor talking about this charge, and it sheds some light on this IMO

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    Note the "Little Aprons" sticker on the windshield.

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    Quote Originally Posted by blue22 View Post
    If I were on a jury, I would think it's common sense that there would be smell. Unless the defense has a tactic to prove there wasn't smell, I don't think documentation issues with play a huge part. JMO
    I think there is already enough reasonable doubt about the smell and the state's theory that there's no way Ross did not notice the smell for 2 miles. There have been a number of witnesses who said there was no smell, including one of the police on the scene who actually went in the car. If other witnesses didn't smell a strong decamp smell, you can't logically conclude that Ross MUST have smelled strong decomp smell.

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    #RossHarris - Many in our chat room who were on the fence in this trial are now leaning Guilty after seeing details of inside SUV.
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