Resolved PA - Philadelphia Co., UnsFem UP15820, 60-100, in residence, poor conditions, Sep'16 (presumed ID'd)

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NAMUS UP15820


https://identifyus.org/en/cases/15820

Unidentified Unsure female
Body Condition: Not recognizable - partial skeletal only
Probable year of death:to
Vital Statistics

Estimated age: 60-100
Approximate Height: cannot estimate.
Approximate Weight: 60 estimate.
Hair Color: Grey or partial grey
Eye Color: nothing
Clothing & Accessories

Clothing: Blue fleece, white shirts and thermals, white trousers, robe, sock
Jewerly: nothing.
Identifiers

Fingerprints: Fingerprint information is currently not available
Dentals: Dental information is currently not available
DNA: Samples submitted - Tests not complete

Case History: Skeletonized body found in residence during well being check. Residence has no working utilities and was of poor living condition.
 
Who did the house belong to? Surely there are county records that can be used to figure out who this woman was.
 
EmmaliLucia said:
Who did the house belong to? Surely there are county records that can be used to figure out who this woman was.
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This was my question as well. How strange. The address given by NaMus is 2313 N. 10th St. Philadelphia, PA

Google street view from Sept 2014 appears to show some kind of memorial there--a bunch of stuffed animals piled on the street and RIP spray painted on the wall: https://www.google.com/maps/place/2...6656!4m2!3m1!1s0x0:0x7d4586091e3e4777!6m1!1e1

Since the remains are skeletal maybe they are related to whatever happened there in 2014?
 
After doing some digging, i was able to find the owners of this condo/townhome. They are both male. They could just be renting this place out, acting as landlords so i won't put their names here but the initials are: JA-M and JH.
 
Skeletonized body found in residence during well being check. Residence has no working utilities and was of poor living condition.
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Whose well-being were they checking on? Or were they checking on the house to see if there were any squatters there?

If they were checking on an actual (known) person, wouldn't the partial remains mean that the person they were checking on wasn't OK?
 
bflocket said:
Whose well-being were they checking on? Or were they checking on the house to see if there were any squatters there?

If they were checking on an actual (known) person, wouldn't the partial remains mean that the person they were checking on wasn't OK?
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It doesn't make much sense does it? Looking at the Google street views, the neighborhood is mostly boarded up houses. I wonder if someone smelled an odor and asked for a check on whoever liver there last but the people who lived there moved out long ago and this woman found dead was squatting? Just a theory. Whoever they were checking on must not have matched the description of the Jane Doe. A well check is for elderly or children usually. I hope there were not children living in this residence :(
 
The 2016 taxes on that property have not been paid, and interest has accrued. Considering that, as well as the bad part of town that this is, who knows who was living or squatting in there.

Go to

http://property.phila.gov/

enter the residence address, copy the BRT number, then paste it into the BRT slot on the tax page.

There is one person entered into Namus who fits the description, a 60-100 year old female missing from Philadelphia. Eloise Chambers.

https://www.findthemissing.org/en/cases/27710/

The height is off, but considering these remains were skeletal, who knows.
 
I agree with you all that are saying she was most likely homeless/squatter. If that is the case, she may not have even been reported missing. How sad..
 
creepedout said:
The 2016 taxes on that property have not been paid, and interest has accrued. Considering that, as well as the bad part of town that this is, who knows who was living or squatting in there.

Go to

http://property.phila.gov/

enter the residence address, copy the BRT number, then paste it into the BRT slot on the tax page.

There is one person entered into Namus who fits the description, a 60-100 year old female missing from Philadelphia. Eloise Chambers.

https://www.findthemissing.org/en/cases/27710/

The height is off, but considering these remains were skeletal, who knows.
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I don't think it would hurt to submit her. I am sure they have already compared the 2 but, you never know.
 
MelmothTheLost said:
I'm vaguely wondering how one ends up with only partial remains in an indoor situation. How big are the rats in Philadelphia?
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Being indoors doesn't stop creatures from detecting the scent of a body and causing rapid decomposition. A good example is the Joseph Newton Chandler case:

WARNING: Extremely graphic post-mortem crime scene images at link
https://www.scribd.com/document/267598753/Joseph-Newton-Chandler-III-Crime-Scene-Photos-Part-2

That thread is at:

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...-Jul-02&highlight=joseph+newton+chandler+case

That case was inside a locked apartment. Imagine a dilapidated building such as this Philadelphia case. It would be even faster.
 
creepedout said:
Being indoors doesn't stop creatures from detecting the scent of a body and causing rapid decomposition.
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Thanks for those. I've just had dinner.

No, "partial remains" made me think an arm or leg was missing, hence wondering how big the rats are.

Of course the deceased might just have been an amputee!

Just the way my mind works. Sorry.
 
I regret having Chinese for lunch now.
But I think we're talking more along the lines of body parts missing and not just animal activity and decomp.


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MelmothTheLost said:
Thanks for those. I've just had dinner.
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:laughing:

No, "partial remains" made me think an arm or leg was missing, hence wondering how big the rats are.
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I get what you're saying. Note that the first post of this thread does not match the case as currently entered; it's now shown as "Not recognizable - Near complete or complete skeleton", and "all parts recovered" is checked.
 
creepedout said:
Being indoors doesn't stop creatures from detecting the scent of a body and causing rapid decomposition. A good example is the Joseph Newton Chandler case:

WARNING: Extremely graphic post-mortem crime scene images at link
https://www.scribd.com/document/267598753/Joseph-Newton-Chandler-III-Crime-Scene-Photos-Part-2

That thread is at:

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...-Jul-02&highlight=joseph+newton+chandler+case

That case was inside a locked apartment. Imagine a dilapidated building such as this Philadelphia case. It would be even faster.
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Creepedout, thanks for the links. I remember the Chandler case and have seen the pics before and if I remember correctly, JNC was an alias and he suicided by gun.
Definitely not for everyone, but I am also a member of DocumentingReality and have seen some really, really bad crime scenes and suicides my DH would not even look at.
 
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