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    CA - Santa Cruz Co., WhtMale, UP3067, 17-20, ''Eric from Florida'', Dec'98

    http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/1208umca.html




    Reconstructions of Victim

    Doe Network: Case File 1208UMCA

    Unidentified White Male

    The victim was discovered on December 27, 1998 in Santa Cruz County, California

    Skeletal Remains

    Vital Statistics Estimated age: 17-20 years old
    Approximate Height and Weight: 5'7"; 150 lbs.

    Distinguishing Characteristics: Brown hair, He had a shaven head and a 5 inch pony tail on the back of his head, The pony tail had beads and other material woven into it.Clothing: Maroon, turtleneck shirt; blue denim, oversized pants and white socks. White metal, key chain type necklace.

    Other: It is thought that his name might be Eric and that he was from Florida.

    Dentals: Available
    DNA: Profile available at state lab.

    Case History The victim was located in a remote mountain area. The perpetrators were arrested and convicted of the murder of this young man. His identity was unknown to the perpetrators. It is thought that his name might be Eric and that he was from Florida. He was accompanied by a girlfriend who had a Toyota auto with white license plates. Her name is unknown. He had a vehicle which they wanted and was found with opiates in his system. He was stabbed to death.

    Investigators If you have any information about this case please contact:

    Santa Cruz Sheriff-Coroner Alan Burt 831-454-3001

    You may remain anonymous when submitting information.

    Agency Case Number: 98-13920NCIC Number: U-1808500338
    Please refer to this number when contacting any agency with information regarding this case.
    Source Information:

    NamUs https://identifyus.org/en/cases/3067

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    ive seen this case on namus, and I don't live far from santa cruz so I remembered it. I wish they would give more details like WHO was convicted of murdering this guy. and a better drawing too. I swear I have seen a missing person who looked like this guy but he was missing after this guy was found dead.

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    That hairstyle sounds like "Hare Krishna" to me. I've just recently seen it on young Hare Krishna guys.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Romulus View Post
    It is thought that his name might be Eric and that he was from Florida. He was accompanied by a girlfriend who had a Toyota auto with white license plates. Her name is unknown. He had a vehicle which they wanted and was found with opiates in his system. He was stabbed to death.
    This seems somewhat unclear to me, unless I am simply being thick.

    HE had a vehicle his killers wanted, but his girlfriend had a Toyota. Presumably his was the vehicle he was travelling in, possibly from Florida, so they were not travelling together in one car.

    And which states would have had white licence plates at that time?

    It's not at all clear whether there is a second missing person/murder victim here, ie the girlfriend. Is there are description anywhere of her?

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    Quote Originally Posted by MelmothTheLost View Post
    This seems somewhat unclear to me, unless I am simply being thick.

    HE had a vehicle his killers wanted, but his girlfriend had a Toyota. Presumably his was the vehicle he was travelling in, possibly from Florida, so they were not travelling together in one car.

    And which states would have had white licence plates at that time?

    It's not at all clear whether there is a second missing person/murder victim here, ie the girlfriend. Is there are description anywhere of her?
    Doenet link shows 404 error for some reason but on his NamUs profile it states : He had a gun which they wanted
    https://identifyus.org/en/cases/3067

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    Ok, here is Doe net link which works http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/1208umca.html and they do state there: He had a vehicle which they wanted. Sounds like Doe net made a typo probably.

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    Posted: 01/10/10

    'Blue Tarp John' was found in a remote area off Bear Creek Road in the San Lorenzo Valley on Dec. 27, 1998. A woman and two men were convicted of murdering him -- he had a gun they wanted -- and are serving state prison time, but his identity has never been determined. After killing him, they stole his wallet and threw most of the contents, including his ID, into a trash can at the Santa Cruz Metro station. He may be a Florida man named Eric and, before he was killed, he was with a girlfriend who had a Toyota with white license plates.

    http://www.santacruzsentinel.com/art...NEWS/100118888

    I did not check the map but it seems that Juanita Jean Nelson went missing from around there at the same time frame (14th Dec 98) and they were searching for her in the same Bear Creek Road area in December when Blue Tarp John was discovered there.

    http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/...n_juanita.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by MelmothTheLost View Post
    It's not at all clear whether there is a second missing person/murder victim here, ie the girlfriend. Is there are description anywhere of her?
    No trace of her in Doe Network and Namus.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Al Ka View Post
    Doenet link shows 404 error for some reason but on his NamUs profile it states : He had a gun which they wanted
    https://identifyus.org/en/cases/3067
    That makes a big difference. It's much more likely that they were travelling together and that they might both have been from Florida. So either she was killed as well and there's a body out there, found or not, or she was left alive and no doubt wondered where her boyfriend had gone. If he was an adult, would the police in that area have taken a missing persons report?

    MagnoliaMountain up-thread mentioned that his hairstyle might indicate a Hare Krishna connection. I know nowt about this group, but how would the gun sit with that? From what I know, some religious groups are completely pacifist but others are violent and coercive.

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    This might be a naive question, but since the perpetrators were convicted this is no longer a live criminal investigation. Would it be possible to obtain more information from the investigation files through a FOI request?

    It seems to me that, based on the details in the public domain about the girlfriend's car, there may be more details about her. Obviously the police didn't speak to her or she would have told them her boyfriend's name, but there may be something to work on such as a description of her by a witness that might provide a jumping off point for comparing her to UIDs etc.


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    some gangsters in the 90's had similar too.

    Quote Originally Posted by MagnoliaMountain View Post
    That hairstyle sounds like "Hare Krishna" to me. I've just recently seen it on young Hare Krishna guys.

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    if he was skeletal, would they know whether he had opiates in his system?

    Quote Originally Posted by MelmothTheLost View Post
    This seems somewhat unclear to me, unless I am simply being thick.

    HE had a vehicle his killers wanted, but his girlfriend had a Toyota. Presumably his was the vehicle he was travelling in, possibly from Florida, so they were not travelling together in one car.

    And which states would have had white licence plates at that time?

    It's not at all clear whether there is a second missing person/murder victim here, ie the girlfriend. Is there are description anywhere of her?

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    I get sad when i read quotes from Butch Baker, he was shot a few years ago and killed along w a female deputy.

    anyways had blue tarp john doe and Juanita baker disappeared together, he definitely would not have been skeletal when found, it is moist and cool in the santa cruz mountains in December.

    Quote Originally Posted by Al Ka View Post
    Posted: 01/10/10

    'Blue Tarp John' was found in a remote area off Bear Creek Road in the San Lorenzo Valley on Dec. 27, 1998. A woman and two men were convicted of murdering him -- he had a gun they wanted -- and are serving state prison time, but his identity has never been determined. After killing him, they stole his wallet and threw most of the contents, including his ID, into a trash can at the Santa Cruz Metro station. He may be a Florida man named Eric and, before he was killed, he was with a girlfriend who had a Toyota with white license plates.

    http://www.santacruzsentinel.com/art...NEWS/100118888

    I did not check the map but it seems that Juanita Jean Nelson went missing from around there at the same time frame (14th Dec 98) and they were searching for her in the same Bear Creek Road area in December when Blue Tarp John was discovered there.

    http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/...n_juanita.html

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    I believe they are peaceful. it makes more sense this may be gang involved to me.

    Quote Originally Posted by MelmothTheLost View Post
    That makes a big difference. It's much more likely that they were travelling together and that they might both have been from Florida. So either she was killed as well and there's a body out there, found or not, or she was left alive and no doubt wondered where her boyfriend had gone. If he was an adult, would the police in that area have taken a missing persons report?

    MagnoliaMountain up-thread mentioned that his hairstyle might indicate a Hare Krishna connection. I know nowt about this group, but how would the gun sit with that? From what I know, some religious groups are completely pacifist but others are violent and coercive.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cvaldez1975 View Post
    I believe they are peaceful. it makes more sense this may be gang involved to me.
    Maybe. Is there anything to suggest how long he had been in California? Long enough to have had some prior dealings with the men who killed him, or very recently and he was just very unlucky to have run into them? Then again, if they wanted his gun they must have known he had it.

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