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    Australia - Warriena Wright, 26, dies in balcony fall, Surfers Paradise, Aug 2014 #9

    The young woman in this case apparently met the man whose apartment she fell from on Tinder. Police are calling the death suspicious and the investigation is continuing.

    Police have positively identified a woman who died after she fell from a Surfers Paradise high-rise apartment building.

    The woman has been identified as 26-year-old Warriena Tagpuno Wright from Lower Hutt, New Zealand.

    Around 2.20am on Friday officers were called to the Wahroonga Place building after receiving reports that a woman had fallen from a balcony.

    Police have confirmed the death is being treated as suspicious.

    ......The 28-year-old man who is the sole occupant of the apartment, Gable Tostee, was assisting police with inquiries on Friday afternoon. He was not formally arrested and no charges have been laid.

    Tagpuno Wright was reportedly visiting Tostee after meeting him through an online dating app, believed to be Tinder, the Courier Mail reported.

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/world/austral...e-balcony-fall


    Gable Tostee, man at centre of investigations into Surfers Paradise highrise death plunge of Warriena Wright, charged with murder

    http://www.goldcoastbulletin.com.au/...-1227025428311

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    Gable Tostee murder trial: Jury seeks advice after struggling to reach verdict
    9:39pm October 18, 2016
    By Rebecca Lynch



    The Supreme Court jury in the murder trial of Gable Tostee has asked Justice John Byrne for advice after struggling to reach a verdict over the past two days of deliberations.

    The jury has been sent home for the night and will resume deliberations tomorrow.

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    "I have the power to discharge you from giving a verdict, but I should only do so if I am satisfied that there is no likelihood of genuine agreement being reached after further deliberation," he said.

    Earlier, Justice Byrne told the jury that removing a person to a balcony does constitute removing them from a property.

    The jury also asked "When does the acting to remove a person behaving in a disorderly manner start?", to which Justice Byrne replied that it did not matter.

    Tostee must be found not guilty of both murder and manslaughter unless the jury finds the force he used was more than reasonably necessary, Justice Byrne said.
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    What is “Causation” in Criminal Law?

    In criminal law, causation essentially describes a ‘cause and effect’ relationship between the defendant’s actions and the harm suffered by the alleged victim.

    In order to establish a defendant’s guilt, the prosecution must prove beyond reasonable doubt that his or her actions were a ‘substantial and significant cause’ of the harm. This means that although other factors may have contributed to the harm suffered, the defendant can in certain circumstances still be found criminally responsible. Homicide cases are often useful to illustrate the law relating to causation.

    In the important case of Royall v R [1991] HCA 27, Kelly Louise Healey died after falling from the window of a sixth floor apartment. It was alleged that prior to her death, she had been engaged in a violent argument with her boyfriend, Mr Royall.

    At trial, the prosecution put forward three possible explanations for her death:

    1. That Mr Royall had pushed her out of the window,

    2. That she had fallen whilst attempting to avoid an attack by Mr Royall, and

    3. That she died whilst trying to escape ‘life-threatening violence.’

    It was held that even though Ms Healey may have directly brought about her own death by jumping out the window, Mr Royall was ultimately responsible for her death as he created a ‘well founded apprehension that she would be subjected to further violence’ if she remained in the apartment.

    Accordingly, the court found that Royall’s actions were the ‘substantial or significant cause’ of Ms Healey’s death.

    In criminal cases, the question of whether the defendant’s conduct ‘substantially or significantly’ brought about the deceased’s death is left to the jury. Where there are several different possibilities for the death, as was the case in Royall, the jury is not required to determine the exact cause of death – but rather, they should simply focus on whether the defendant’s actions substantially contributed towards the death.

    http://nswcourts.com.au/articles/wha...-criminal-law/

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    Poll.

    What will be the outcome of the Warriena Wright Trial?

    http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sho...4#post12868774

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    Quote Originally Posted by ak19861981 View Post
    Thank you. Also... This judge. Whose side is he on? Are the judges directions favoring the accused here? He sounds suss to me
    Well, I thought he was brilliant in the trial of Gerard Baden-Clay, so I'd find it very hard to criticise him here.

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    I've been following this case since the beginning, I'm more an observer than particpating (not much time with a baby, I'm often 20 pages behind on reading posts!). I haven't been able to bring myself to listen to the recording, based on others observations on W's final words and how they sounded.
    This evening my husband had JJJ Hack show on (radio show) and they were talking about this case and they played some of the audio. Oh my gosh, her screams of 'no!' just chilled me to the core. Definitely sound like someone desperate for their life. Anyway I'm not sure if others heard the Hack report so thought I'd post the link


    http://www.abc.net.au/triplej/progra...k/hack/7927674

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rahamare View Post
    My thoughts exactly! Anything the jury ask that may lead to a guilty verdict is deemed irrelevant. How can the CCTV objet be irrelevant? I honestly feel like I need to take Justice Byrne outside for a ciggy and a long chat, one on one.
    It is irrelevant because the Crown choose not to even refer to it, let alone make any allegation, or call evidence about what is was. That is the point the Judge is clumsily (and as I may be) making. We do not know......so............the Jury is not entitled to speculate. It was for the Crown to explain it if it was relevant. They didn't. So, it is irrelevant.

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    Quote Originally Posted by L_B View Post
    I've been following this case since the beginning, I'm more an observer than particpating (not much time with a baby, I'm often 20 pages behind on reading posts!). I haven't been able to bring myself to listen to the recording, based on others observations on W's final words and how they sounded.
    This evening my husband had JJJ Hack show on (radio show) and they were talking about this case and they played some of the audio. Oh my gosh, her screams of 'no!' just chilled me to the core. Definitely sound like someone desperate for their life. Anyway I'm not sure if others heard the Hack report so thought I'd post the link


    http://www.abc.net.au/triplej/progra...k/hack/7927674
    Welcome LB

    Thanks for sharing that, I love hack, but didn't catch this!
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    Hope it's okay to continue the conversation about Justice Byrne at the end of the previous thread:

    Quote Originally Posted by Rahamare View Post
    My thoughts exactly! Anything the jury ask that may lead to a guilty verdict is deemed irrelevant. How can the CCTV objet be irrelevant? I honestly feel like I need to take Justice Byrne outside for a ciggy and a long chat, one on one.
    Lol at your ciggie and long chat, and I would love to share the same with you (oh to go back to smoking again!), but I honestly think Justice Byrne would be applying the law exactly as it should be, and it's just very unfortunate that it's not doing any favours to Warriena's case. I suppose it's all about laws that need changing, and Justice Byrne can't be blamed for that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Elde Fruit View Post
    It is irrelevant because the Crown choose not to even refer to it, let alone make any allegation, or call evidence about what is was. That is the point the Judge is clumsily (and as I may be) making. We do not know......so............the Jury is not entitled to speculate. It was for the Crown to explain it if it was relevant. They didn't. So, it is irrelevant.
    I feel as though the crown don't find much relevant. Just out of curiosity, was GT's computer taken for evidence? If anything it could show a history of recordings, snuff movies or maybe just an interest in that type of activity. Was his apartment searched high and low? I'm not familiar with the early details of the case so forgive my ignorance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rahamare View Post
    I feel as though the crown don't find much relevant. Just out of curiosity, was GT's computer taken for evidence? If anything it could show a history of recordings, snuff movies or maybe just an interest in that type of activity. Was his apartment searched high and low? I'm not familiar with the early details of the case so forgive my ignorance.
    We are not sure about the extent of the searches. We know some happened, because we know they searched 'a car' ... and found three phones. One of them contained the recording, that Tostee did not offer up to police.
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