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    About the CEO:

    From 2015 inteview

    YEARLY passes to Dreamworld, WhiteWater World and Skypoint could become more expensive if CEO Craig Davidson has his way, after declaring the heavily-reduced-in-price annual passes are a "road to nowhere".
    More than 250,000 Gold Coasters spend just $80 ......

    Quite simply, annual passes at $80 a year is too cheap when you are trying to reinvest capital and when we have labour costs like we have in Australia and when we have food costs like we have - you just can't sustain that.

    http://www.businessnewsaus.com.au/ar...-nowhere-.html


    RE:
    Thunder River had to be shut down and drained, as rafts were, "Piling up" according to some witnesses...

    My sense regarding the draining was afterward to try to keep them from drowning, not sure. But why would a solution to too little water be to remove it all - that makes no sense!

    But if it happened that way, that is IMO some big stuff cause it basically means that is the EXACT reason for shutting it down earlier and what ultimately happened

    I suppose it easier after the fact, that something went wrong
    but it would seem that if the water levels were problematic, one would be keeping an eye it

    Uunless maybe no one thought that a loaded one would flip- like the worst that could happen is there would be a traffic jam- but it strikes me as damning that there was an empty one that they hit. Common sense would indicate that if you are worried about that issue an empty one in terms of how it sits in the water is not gonna give you much useful data (weight).

    At the end of the day tho,its not like it was a pay for each ride setting - so why not just shut it down for the day till real checks could be done- yeh some people would have missed it that day, but really ? they got everyone money.

    I wonder over there if there if their legal system is like ours -where 37% of us (!) will have passed before any of the ongoing criminal stuff we talk about here get to court!

    Have always had very mixed feelings, in this kind of accident, if incaration is really needed.Money talks.Fine em and make them pay for outside consulting company, (selected by the court lets say) to evaluate before opening it up
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    ARDENT LEISURE SHARE PRICE PLUMMETS AFTER DREAMWORLD TRAGEDY

    forecasting theme park revenue to fall by 20 per cent and EBIT by 33 per cent in FY17 due to the incident. "While any revenue/earnings implications are difficult to determine, negative customer sentiment is highly likely," the report says.

    "Dreamworld's focus and priority is with the families of those involved in this tragedy and will be providing an update to the public as soon as information becomes available," the company says.
    It makes for a sombre backdrop ahead of the company's AGM tomorrow, where the board will have to talk business despite the continuing investigation.

    Specialist forensic and scientific officers, as well as detectives, are currently at the scene.

    Investigators are interviewing a number of witnesses at nearby police stations with support services also being offered.

    Stockbroker Morgans released a report last night saying the incident is expected to have a "meaningful impact" on the business, coming ahead of the theme park's key trading period.

    http://www.businessnewsaus.com.au/ar...d-tragedy.html




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    Quote Originally Posted by symbah View Post
    Oh dear, surely if it was her first day, someone would of been with her supervising?
    Or, maybe her first day on her own after training & supervision?
    That is a really good question how long till it was cut off, and where it was in relation to being able to be seen from the platform.

    I have this image of her being called operator when she was probably actually loading folks.

    It would also be interesting to know how much lower the water level was than normal like clearly visible?

    Was it busy - why would an empty one be there in the first place? I am trying to figure out why would run an empty one through - if there are no customers in line why not just let it sit at the station - or were they running a trial after all the problems earlier - and were those problems with the pump?

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    This is just a reminder that the Websleuths forum will be down starting Wednesday (tomorrow) at 6 PM Eastern. We hope to be back up by Thursday morning.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CARIIS View Post
    Is this like supposed to add ambiance or is it just a piece of shu#~ I truly cannot tell

    mooA couple of the things that bothered were the pile of wood on the left - there is a gap in the two by 4's and it looks like that gear thing has something to do with "functionality " and looks neglected

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    Quote Originally Posted by symbah View Post
    https://au.news.yahoo.com/a/33014307...tal-flaw/#page
    7 News has been told that after the ride had reportedly malfunctioned twice earlier in the day the safety measure was being operated by an 18-year-old woman on her first day on the job.
    It is understood the fatal incident was caused when a pump failed, causing the water level to lower and another raft to be stuck. The raft containing the passengers then collided and mounted the stationary raft, causing it to flip.
    If only it was the empty raft that flipped.

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    Alison Barrett of Maurice Blackburn Lawyers told News Corp the maximum penalty a corporation faces is $3 million.TiIndividuals could be fined $600,000 or serve five years in prison.


    That Yahoo link has the actual FB post - its quite a read.

    moment four people were killed in a horrific accident on the Thunder River Rapids ride at Dreamland on the Gold Coast was captured on CCTV.

    Mr Araghi worked at the Australian Bureau of Statistics in Belconnen, Canberra.

    The ride, which had been a functioning part of the park for 34 years, .............. was closed last weekend, but passed a safety inspection to re-open.

    ???????Witness Claire Wooley told 7 News she saw a young girl screaming for her mother while waiting with a friend, later confirmed to be her father, to go on the ride.

    Investigators are examining CCTV of the incident and drone footage to help determine how the tragedy unfolded.

    We believe she was on the ride, I dont believe she was in the same raft but we do understand it was her family involved and she was screaming for her mother, she said.

    Commissioner Codd said the tragedy deeply affected .......... first responders, police, paramedics and other emergency services who attended the incident.

    seven ambulances

    has been compared to 1979s Sydney Luna Park Ghost Train inferno, which killed six children and one adult.

    A New Zealand man says his group let the victims of the Dreamworld tragedy jump the queue on the ride that led to the death of four of them ............ recalled the moment he and his partner were about to get on the raft when they let the other group jump in first. ...... says the group were waiting for the mother to catch up for one final ride before their bus arrived. The Kiwis were already sitting in their raft but still in the conveyor belt when the accident happened so they managed to jump out safely.

    https://au.news.yahoo.com/a/33001335...amworld/#page1

    https://au.news.yahoo.com/world/a/33...ld-ride/#page1

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    Quote Originally Posted by CARIIS View Post
    About the CEO:

    From 2015 inteview

    YEARLY passes to Dreamworld, WhiteWater World and Skypoint could become more expensive if CEO Craig Davidson has his way, after declaring the heavily-reduced-in-price annual passes are a "road to nowhere".
    More than 250,000 Gold Coasters spend just $80 ......

    Quite simply, annual passes at $80 a year is too cheap when you are trying to reinvest capital and when we have labour costs like we have in Australia and when we have food costs like we have - you just can't sustain that.

    http://www.businessnewsaus.com.au/ar...-nowhere-.html


    RE:
    Thunder River had to be shut down and drained, as rafts were, "Piling up" according to some witnesses...

    My sense regarding the draining was afterward to try to keep them from drowning, not sure. But why would a solution to too little water be to remove it all - that makes no sense!

    But if it happened that way, that is IMO some big stuff cause it basically means that is the EXACT reason for shutting it down earlier and what ultimately happened

    I suppose it easier after the fact, that something went wrong
    but it would seem that if the water levels were problematic, one would be keeping an eye it

    Uunless maybe no one thought that a loaded one would flip- like the worst that could happen is there would be a traffic jam- but it strikes me as damning that there was an empty one that they hit. Common sense would indicate that if you are worried about that issue an empty one in terms of how it sits in the water is not gonna give you much useful data (weight).

    At the end of the day tho,its not like it was a pay for each ride setting - so why not just shut it down for the day till real checks could be done- yeh some people would have missed it that day, but really ? they got everyone money.

    I wonder over there if there if their legal system is like ours -where 37% of us (!) will have passed before any of the ongoing criminal stuff we talk about here get to court!

    Have always had very mixed feelings, in this kind of accident, if incaration is really needed.Money talks.Fine em and make them pay for outside consulting company, (selected by the court lets say) to evaluate before opening it up
    I think the cause of the rafts getting stuck and flipping was too little water, but after the raft had flipped those who died were stuck face down, so they would have tried to prevent them from drowning by lowering the water.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sweetcaro View Post
    7 news tonight reported that the ride operator was an 18 year old on her first day. Maybe lack of experience has contributed? I'm curious to know how long it took to shut off tbe conveyor belt.

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    Quote Originally Posted by symbah View Post
    Oh dear, surely if it was her first day, someone would of been with her supervising?
    Or, maybe her first day on her own after training & supervision?
    I feel for this young lady . Along of course for the families and first responders involved.

    But this 18 year old, on her first day...She should have had supervision. There should have been a more experienced operator there with her. I worked at Dreamworld myself as an 17 yr old many years ago now(different owners to Ardent Leisure who now own it).. from my memory it was policy to have at least 2 operators per ride. I can't help but think back to my time and how it would feel to be in her situation. I truly hope she has alot of support around her also at this time.
    MOO!

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    Quote Originally Posted by sweetcaro View Post
    7 news tonight reported that the ride operator was an 18 year old on her first day. Maybe lack of experience has contributed? I'm curious to know how long it took to shut off tbe conveyor belt.

    Sent from my SM-T550 using Tapatalk
    Definitely meant to look like that. As PrimeSuspect and scrambledeggs said. Dreamworld has different themed areas, this ride was part of the Town of gold rush (used to be called Gold Rush country). (so not all the park or rides look like this).
    MOO!


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    "Busch Gardens Tampa Bay in Florida has decided to close a river rapids ride after four people were killed on a similar water ride at an amusement park in Australia.

    Officials say the Congo River Rapids ride was shut down Tuesday 'out of an abundance of caution' while they work to understand what happened in Australia.

    The Thunder River Rapids ride, which Busch Gardens says is similar to the Congo River Rapids ride, whisks riders in circular rafts along a fast-moving, man-made river, with a conveyor belt helping move the rafts through the water.

    Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...#ixzz4OC7cLcbY

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    "Australian theme park Dreamworld will re-open on Friday and host a Memorial Day for the mourning community after four people died in a catastrophic tragedy.

    The Gold Coast park was 'closed indefinitely' on Tuesday afternoon after a failed water pump on the Thunder River Rapids ride caused a fatal incident.

    But on Wednesday afternoon the park confirmed it would open its doors again at 11am on Friday, with entry proceeds going to Australian Red Cross - despite its workers facing up to five years' jail for negligence.

    'Activities will be limited to smaller rides, animal attractions, and the water park,' Dreamworld said in a statement.
    The reopening follows revelations the ride's emergency stop switch was reportedly being controlled by an 18-year-old woman on her first day on the job.

    Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...#ixzz4OC7vsZ8F

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    Quote Originally Posted by symbah View Post
    Its now been revealed that the items apparently stolen from the husband of one of the women who died at Dreamworld were in fact not stolen.

    http://www.newshub.co.nz/world/dream...tim-2016102616
    Australia's Seven Network earlier quoted relatives saying Kate Goodchild's husband's wallet and phone was stolen from their child's pram as he desperately tried to help save his wife from under the raft.
    However the network has since reported that the items were picked up by a police officer or paramedic and have since been returned.
    Thank you for this update my faith in humanity has been restored a little.

    Quote Originally Posted by Safeguard View Post
    Rsbm.

    I wish they would just shut the dang rides down, if they are experiencing problems, get them fully tested, repaired and safe before allowing access. In both of these fatal accidents, (Thunder River, and Verruckt), other riders had experienced problems earlier that the same day! Thunder River had to be shut down and drained, as rafts were, "Piling up" according to some witnesses... Verruckt riders, likewise, claimed staff was aware rafts were going air-born, and safety belts were coming undone mid ride.

    I have no idea how one should go about owning/operating an Amusement Park , but this can't be right. There are almost always warning signs prior to these malfunctions, of some kind, as we have seen, but no one seems to take the warnings seriously enough.

    Why-o-why are park staff allowed to Micky Mouse repairs on the fly, to quickly get people back on board? Too quickly as we have sadly been seeing as of late.
    I entirely agree with you.

    Quote Originally Posted by sweetcaro View Post
    7 news tonight reported that the ride operator was an 18 year old on her first day. Maybe lack of experience has contributed? I'm curious to know how long it took to shut off tbe conveyor belt.

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    It will be interesting to see what training if any took place and if she was supervised at all. What a tragic first day on a job.

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    I felt sick': Father's outrage at Australian theme park which sold him $50 souvenir photos of his family on killer Thunder River Rapids ride while medics were still battling to save four dying tourists
    He was sold the smiling pictures as four tourists fought for their lives. 'I was just wondering why they were still selling photos? 'Those people waited for 30 minutes to die and it doesn’t feel right to me at all. It feels weird that I got to go home and that family didn’t,'

    Here it is





    'This was not a freak accident': Dreamworld will REOPEN on Friday - as theme park workers face up to five years' jail for negligence

    what a diff to "closed indef" yesterday!

    CCTV :
    'Two of those (rafts) have come together and as a result one has flipped backwards and it has caught and tossed some of the people that were on the ride backwards on the conveyor belt,' he said.



    40 witnesses thus far asking for video also


    on 29 September 2016. The safety audit was conducted by a specialist engineering firm and details of its findings will be provided to the Coroner and workplace safety investigators.


    company's portfolio of businesses include Dreamworld, WhiteWater World and the Gold Coast's SkyPoint observation deck.
    Ardent Leisure also runs AMF and Kingpin Bowling, d'Albora Marinas, Goodlife Health Clubs and HYPOXI. growing portfolio of family entertainment assets in the United States'.


    not the first time Dreamworld has been at the centre of a terrible incident.
    Samson Sherrin, 19, almost drowned in April on the Log Ride that uses the same conveyor system as the deadly Thunder River Rapids, News Corp reported.
    The teenager was unconscious in the water when two boats ran over him before he was rescued by a friend who was with him at the time. Mr Sherrin had acute respiratory failure, and still suffers mentally and physically from the incident.
    'He's been knocked unconscious... his clothes were torn. He's suffered a lower back injury, a groin injury because it kind of gouged him around that area,' the teenager's lawyer, Sugath Wijedoru, said.


    entry proceeds going to Australian Red Cross - despite its workers facing up to five years' jail for negligence.
    'Activities will be limited to smaller rides, animal attractions, and the water park,'

    A former Dreamworld employee also claimed that the 'family' ride had been plagued by technical problems since its opening in 1986 and had a 'potentially fatal flaw.' The employee worked on the ride in 1987, the year after it was opened, and said he witnessed a 'similar problem' unfold as three rafts flipped over


    claims for compensation. So too could any witnesses who suffered psychological injuries.

    It's believed that the victims were part of two separate groups who were put together to make up numbers on the six-person raft. It's believed that Mrs Low agreed to be separated from her husband Matthew and daughter Isla, 6, to fill another raft with her son Kieran, 10, and four other strangers

    #1 of 3 things to do in Coomera

    bolding not me !



    • Big 9 Thrill rides including Hot Wheels SideWinder, Tower of Terror 2, Pandamonium and the bone chilling BuzzSaw
    • Upgrade to enjoy triple the fun with unlimited entry to Dreamworld and WhiteWater World theme parks and Skypoint
    • Kid friendly rides at ABC kids world and DreamWorks Experience

    They had positive reviews but here are some of others

    A lot of rides were closed and we have not got any discounts or were not told before.

    Feels a bit rundown and several rides not going.

    From 2008:
    Nothing has really changed, plus most rides where down.



    Mr Lovett said he had taken his two-year-old on the rapid ride earlier that day and was concerned for the duration as the only thing holding her in was a velcro strap that did not feel secure once it got wet.


    He said the ride was 'rough' and that he had felt it necessary to grip his daughter quite firmly as he was the only thing keeping her secure and he feared she could fall out, the Courier Mail reported

    https://www.tripadvisor.com/Attracti...partner=Viator



    tp://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3874134/Busch-Gardens-theme-park-closes-water-ride-Thunder-River-Rapids-Dreamworld-crashed-killing-four-people.html#ixzz4OC7cLcbY


    https://www.tripadvisor.com/Attraction_Review-g609150-d273211-Reviews-Dreamworld_TEMPORARILY_CLOSED-Coomera_Gold_Coast_Queensland.html

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...-tourists.html
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    ride operator :
    The 51-year-old from southern Queensland told the publication that during 'start-up duties' - which involved a list of safety check-ups prior to the park opening - one of the rafts flipped on the conveyor belt while still attached to its rope mooring.


    'I was unaware this particular morning that one raft had two mooring lines attached by the overnight maintenance crew, the second rope being hidden on the far side of the raft and submerged,' he said.


    'When the ride started, this raft stuck and caused three other rafts to flip on the conveyor and four more to 'mount' the flipped rafts.


    'It's lucky there was no one on board because if there had been, their body parts would have been pushed under the water ... and at that part, the water's deep.'

    After the incident there was a formal investigation, Mr Armstrong added, and safety procedures were tightened up. The park brought in more thorough checks the rafts were untied, cameras were installed and the shutdown switch was moved into the control room.


    He said that at the time a raft with “small people” on it would slip at the top of the conveyor belt three or four times a day, sending children flying on to a raft behind. It would appear that issue was resolved some time ago.
    Mr Armstrong also said the rafts were heavy and “if one of the rafts got pushed around upside down, they wouldn’t know how to rescue themselves, they’d panic.”

    Now most of the ride is automated,


    When you walk around the river course, there are a lot of obstacles. If you’re whitewater rafting in the real world you have to wear a crash helmet.
    “I doubt I’d go on that ride until they changed the format. It needs a redesign.”


    In 2007, he was employed by a heavy engineering company commissioned to repair weld the Giant Drop and Tower of Terror rides.
    “The lead welder/engineer came back at the end of the day and told me he had serious doubts regarding the safety of those two rides as the fatigue damage his team repaired that day was extensive and indeed needed repeating a short time later.”

    Timothy Wan told news.com.au he was stuck on the rapids last month for around 10 minutes before an operator came over to say the water pump had overheated and the ride was shutting down

    Patrick Boundy wrote on the park’s Facebook page: “The Tower of Terror ride didn’t brake properly and we had to wait for engineers to come and get us off the ride.”

    Back in April, Samson Sherrin, 19, fell off the Rocky Hollow Log Ride and had two boats go over him before he was rescued by a friend. He is bringing a public liability claim for negligence against the Gold Coast theme park, claiming he nearly drowned.

    Australian Workers’ Union Queensland AWU raised concerns directly with the company as far back as April 2015.
    “We’ve expressed those concerns directly to the company. I don’t want to inflame the situation because I think people’s priority should rightly be on taking care of the situation that immediately exists but we did hold some very grave concerns about safety of equipment and the operation of equipment at that site.”

    http://www.news.com.au/national/quee...82ca13c11cb98a

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...egligence.html
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