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    Quote Originally Posted by transienthearted View Post
    Could someone provide a link of the Mother of TK and what she said about her son? I have not been able to find that at all. Btw, you guys are all awesome and I appreciate all the effort and work you've all done on these forums.

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    Quote Originally Posted by skibaboo View Post
    Ok, I'll attach so they only show thumbnails

    Original image here http://www.gannett-cdn.com/-mm-/f554...65-W-E-877.JPG

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    I think you are right and that is the body. Btw, when I was enlarging my screen, your sweet husbands smile was as large as life and made me smile!
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    Quote Originally Posted by skibaboo View Post
    Ok, I'll attach so they only show thumbnails

    Original image here http://www.gannett-cdn.com/-mm-/f554...65-W-E-877.JPG

    Yeah that's pretty much what I was seeing. The leg out on the left as we look at it is pretty pronounced.. Maybe I'm reading too much into it, but again it makes me think it would be relatively recent.

    Also if you look at the original image, that's the coroner standing right next to it. Makes sense that the coroner would be by the body, right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by LozDa View Post
    Editing not working for me, so quoting to add:

    Although KB told LE that there were a possible 4 bodies, it seems odd to me that the County Sheriff would say "“It’s possible that it is the work of a serial killer.......It’s a deceased person. There could be more.”

    I'm not sure he would announce that just based on K's information, which they would want to investigate first, as it could have been red herring info from TK. But, if the body wasn't CDC's, it's pretty safe for him to imply there's more bodies... And that they're dealing with a serial killer.
    In combining the various ideas put forth at the 2005 FBI Serial Murder Symposium, the following definition was crafted:

    Serial Murder: The unlawful killing of two or more victims by the same offender(s), in separate events.

    FBI SERIAL MURDER
    https://www.fbi.gov/stats-services/p.../serial-murder

    Behavioral Analysis Unit-2
    National Center for the Analysis of Violent Crime
    Critical Incident Response Group
    Federal Bureau of Investigation

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    The different discussion groups at the Symposium agreed on a number of similar factors to be included in a definition. These included:

    • one or more offenders
    • two or more murdered victims
    • incidents should be occurring in separate events, at different times
    • the time period between murders separates serial murder from mass murder

    In combining the various ideas put forth at the 2005 Serial Murder Symposium, the following definition was crafted:

    Serial Murder: The unlawful killing of two or more victims by the same offender(s), in separate events.
    Last edited by tlcya; 11-06-2016 at 03:48 PM. Reason: redact victim name

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    Is there a reason why it looks like they're almost in a "sleeping position"? The left hip/leg seems to be facing upwards whilst the left arm seems tucked under to the side... I thought it was uniform to place bodies on their back?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bojangles View Post
    Is there a reason why it looks like they're almost in a "sleeping position"? The left hip/leg seems to be facing upwards whilst the left arm seems tucked under to the side... I thought it was uniform to place bodies on their back?
    I wish I could see what you mean, all I'm seeing is a gurney with a tarp over it. 🤔

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bojangles View Post
    Is there a reason why it looks like they're almost in a "sleeping position"? The left hip/leg seems to be facing upwards whilst the left arm seems tucked under to the side... I thought it was uniform to place bodies on their back?
    I was starting to lean that way the more I looked at the outline that skibaboo posted. Maybe it's rigor mortis and it's stuck in the position it was buried in?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Foxfire View Post
    K's information would be very reliable, imo. TK likely shared the truth of his heinous crimes to her over the two months of captivity since he knew that she would not be able to share it.. TK could not afford to let her live..
    I certainly have no doubt that K's information was correct - I didn't doubt that. I doubted that LE would announce it without just cause.
    Last edited by tlcya; 11-06-2016 at 03:49 PM. Reason: redact victim name


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    Quote Originally Posted by ChaosandOrder View Post
    From the above article: "Police vehicles could be seen going back and forth across the property. An Anderson police officer put two bouquets of flowers in the fence Saturday."

    Interesting. Flowers from the family of a possible victim or from concerned citizens, flowers for KB and DC, or two bouquets because a second victim's remains have been located but not yet announced? Maybe I'm just being morbid, but it jumped out at me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by skibaboo View Post
    Ok, I'll attach so they only show thumbnails

    Original image here http://www.gannett-cdn.com/-mm-/f554...65-W-E-877.JPG

    I know you hated to post it but that red outline and the cropping helps to see what you are seeing. That narrow boxy part in the center does look like creases in the tarp with the red outline.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mistree View Post
    I wish I could see what you mean, all I'm seeing is a gurney with a tarp over it.
    Quote Originally Posted by FaviousM View Post
    I was starting to lean that way the more I looked at the outline that skibaboo posted. Maybe it's rigor mortis and it's stuck in the position it was buried in?
    I really don't wish to redline it more than Skibaboo has done, but if you take their own redlining, you can see the body is facing to the left... the left arm, and the left hip and left leg is facing upwards, like a sleeping/curled up position.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Foxfire View Post
    In combining the various ideas put forth at the 2005 FBI Serial Murder Symposium, the following definition was crafted:

    Serial Murder: The unlawful killing of two or more victims by the same offender(s), in separate events.

    FBI SERIAL MURDER
    https://www.fbi.gov/stats-services/p.../serial-murder

    Behavioral Analysis Unit-2
    National Center for the Analysis of Violent Crime
    Critical Incident Response Group
    Federal Bureau of Investigation

    <snipped & BBM for Focus>

    The different discussion groups at the Symposium agreed on a number of similar factors to be included in a definition. These included:

    • one or more offenders
    • two or more murdered victims
    • incidents should be occurring in separate events, at different times
    • the time period between murders separates serial murder from mass murder

    In combining the various ideas put forth at the 2005 Serial Murder Symposium, the following definition was crafted:

    Serial Murder: The unlawful killing of two or more victims by the same offender(s), in separate events.

    Yes, I'm aware of the definition of a serial killer, but I'm unsure how this relates to what I'd said in my post?


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    Like this; but a little more relaxed with the legs (not as curled up to the chest like this diagram)
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    http://www.greenvilleonline.com/stor...land/93315404/

    LE confirms they're bringing in more lights to continue the search into the night; officers will be working shifts there in the search.

    He said they were dedicated to finding any evidence on the property "no matter how long it takes." He said they were still working to identify the remains found Friday on the property.

    Shiflet said she has been told that it may be several days before she learns whether the body is that of her son.

    “Right now, I am just angry,” said Shiflet, who lives in Starr.
    WRT identifying the remains of the first body found, recall the county has a coroner. Coroners are not required to be MD's, so it's possible they had to call in an ME to identify the victim found yesterday.
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    Quote Originally Posted by skibaboo View Post
    Just wanted to point out (I've added it to the map) I don't want to post the actual photo here because I believe it may show the body under a black tarp, or in a body bag but you can see it here http://www.greenvilleonline.com/stor...hepp/93277076/ (it's the photo on the left of the article by Bart Boatwright)
    After zooming in I think it is where they are going to transfer the remains to. It appears to be a black tarp over a box or stretcher. This is hard to put into words, it is does not seem large enough to hold an intact adult body. I am looking at the length and width compared to to people standing around. I am really wondering about the condition of the body. They are saying they are not able to ID anything about it, the size of that container and TK talking about bush hogging make me wonder if he didn't attempt to destroy the remains in hopes they would not be able to be found. Another thought is that he burned the body almost to the point of cremation. I can't imagine that the authorities are not doing everything possible to quickly bring peace to the Carver family.

    I do see how everyone sees a body shape though so I am probably wrong in my thoughts.
    Last edited by MDATCA; 11-05-2016 at 07:29 PM. Reason: typo and more thoughts

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