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    I think the psychiatric evaluation said he had taken ritalin to no effect and then an antipsychotic that helped. The context made it sound as if it was before he reconnected with his bio dad, so before age 12.

    ETA: Ritalin and then Thorazine, pg 2 of the pysch eval.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Foxfire View Post
    I can't believe there hasn't been any chatter concerning drug use by TK. Virtually every psychopathic sadistic sexual predator/serial killer case that I have researched since the CA speed freak serial killers of the 1980s had a direct or indirect meth link. There will likely be a meth link in the Todd Kohlhepp Brazened and heinous murders, imo.

    Methamphetamine's short-term benefits in increasing sex drive and sexual ... You lose weight and you have great sex, said Assistant U.S. Attorney Paul Laym ..
    http://www.drugfree.org/news-service...eth-appealing/
    I don't see him using any because of his size, he's a big man.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kadoober View Post
    Given what we know about TK right now, I think everything we need to know about him can be summed up in this post to a photo on Facebook.



    I think that he has felt alone his whole life. Whether because of actual neglect in the home with his mother and stepfather, or perceived neglect, he felt alone and invisible and needed to make himself known.
    He doesn't see his father from the time he's less than two until he's 12. And once he does, he learns his mom isn't ready for him to come back and that visit lasts 2.5 years, during which his father is often gone. It's noted in the presentence report that he blamed his father for his behavior and that this happened because he wasn't around, but the family of the victim says he liked being alone so he could do as he pleased. I think it's both, myself. He felt abandoned and unloved and he had all this opportunity to hurt living things.

    I wonder what his mom was like when he was little.

    Her letter to the sentencing board and what she told Juvenile probation officer are totally incongruous. He's a good boy and walked him victim home, vs. He's been exhibiting behavioral issues since 15 months, killed a pet and threatened to kill her. Guilt? I get a mothers love. But don't you think, with all he'd put her through that she would be relieved at him being away for awhile?

    Anyways.

    He's left alone for a few days over Thanksgiving. All alone, and so he takes advantage of the opportunity to be the center of attention of his long time crush. And freely admitted it once arrested. He definitely got moms attention and the publics and the court systems.

    I wouldn't be surprised to learn that the Superbike killings were because they weren't answering his calls or putting his wants first in line.

    His blatantly twisted reviews on Amazon are born of a desire to connect to people, to be seen. I doubt he was successful.
    His oh so darkly amusing FB posts received little to no response.
    There is social media trickling in that he reached out to ladies often, and was rebuffed, often.
    I'll bet he wasn't invited to a lot of boys nights out.
    Heck, his career choice may have been an attempt to connect.

    He is a very disturbed individual and people find him repugnant.

    I would not be at all surprised to hear of truly terrible things that were done to KB by him, but I think he mostly wanted her attention, and had no issue whatsoever forcing it on her. 'Cause after all, serial killers need love too.

    PIcture from link:
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    Imo, she knew he wasn't getting out b/c she wrote that letter. That letter was for him. For him to know that she still loved him. She was probably feeling a big ole mixture of love for her son, horror at what he'd done, relief that he was where he was, and possibly some self-loathing, when she wrote that letter. But she knew he'd be getting out one day. And he did. And he came back to SC, and he stayed with her, at least for awhile. She knew him. jmo
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dockins View Post
    I don't see him using any because of his size, he's a big man.
    'You lose weight and you have great sex'..

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    Hmmm! My profile of him is all over the place right now.
    He seems to have had issues from early on. Maybe he did have some birth trauma. But I will be honest when I say that I do believe there are bad seeds out there. You can give them all the love and attention and counseling you want but at the end of the day when they become adults and responsible for themselves, they will become what they want to become. I know many won't agree with me on this. But I do feel there are bad seeds. I think they are VERY rare and most of them are bad people who have been caught or yet to be caught. I think some of these bad seeds are extremely intelligent and know exactly how to manipulate their situations. If they want to get out of counseling they will pretend to be better and cured. They are master manipulators.
    I also think that their environment can make matters far worse. I can see where some of their parents just wash their hands of them. They even fear them at a young age.
    The thing is there isn't enough facilities out there to help in these situations. They end up in prison and that only teaches them ways to get away with crimes without getting caught!
    I think he is extremely off the charts smart which makes him very scary.
    I think he thought of ways to pursue his needs when he got out of prison. He was smart. He snowed so many people and I think he gets a thrill out of all of his crimes and talking and teasing LE and others about them. He is STILL in control and he is going to enjoy it thoroughly.
    He doesn't care about others at all. I think with everything he does it's calculated.
    I wouldn't be surprised if he wanted to see his mother to tell her she's the reason for his crimes. To rub it in that she created the monster. And to give her a picture to remind her everyday.
    As far as the college tuition.... I would be questioning that child. There may be a dang good reason he is doing that. To keep the child and mom quiet. "I will make sure you are taken care of as long as you keep your mouth shut about what you know."
    That demand list doesn't show me he cares about anyone. It tells me he is still "in control" or wants to feel like he is.
    He's a narcissist and nothing he does is without good reason. It is to directly give him pleasure.
    He's a thrill killer + a grudge collector + a true psychopath + poor impulse control (the possible random quick kills)+ control freak (keeping hostages) + Master manipulator = nightmare.
    I'd almost venture to say that he may have a split personality. Could explain the differences in the crimes and methods or killing and torture.
    Plus he kept up a facade of being successful. Enough to fool most people.
    It reminds me of what Ann Rule said once about Ted Bundy. He had many sides of him depending on who you were in his life. He could be the great friend and seemingly innocent guy, then the perfect boyfriend, then the monster. You saw what he wanted you to see.
    They are able to compartmentalize all these different versions of themselves and fool people into trusting them.
    This guy is a rare breed. I'm not sure if we will ever know what his true body count is unfortunately.
    He obviously got a thrill out of messaging the family members with lies and cryptic messages.
    He scares the hell out of me.
    He seems like the person that you might run into at a store and smile at or not smile at and they would follow you and kill you over some imagined wrong you have done to them.
    Those might be the random kills.
    He is a true monster. He's what nightmares are made of.
    I think the experts were right on the money with their analysis.
    The hell he is opening up now will give him nothing but pleasure. There is no remorse. Each victim will continue to give him excitement as he relives the crimes. I think he will be very detailed in his descriptions too. Because it is part of the game for him. Before it's over, even the investigators will be his victims too.
    I pray for all of his victims and their families right now. I think we will never know all of those he killed. I doubt he even knows some of their names. But I can guarantee you he can describe the crime and the location.
    I just pray he gives up all the crimes and tells everything. Even if it gives him a thrill, let him talk so these cases can be solved and the victims and their families have proper closure.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Foxfire View Post
    'You lose weight and you have great sex'..
    I will be surprised if he has a drug abuse problem. I think he would feel above that. He has a pretty good sized ego from what I've gathered. Maybe not w/regard to his physic but he feels mentally superior. I don't see him ruining that w/drugs. He may possibly enjoy some recreational drinking or relaxing w/pot but that's about all I see him using. I'll be surprised if he has a hard drug habit.
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    Also many who have these types of disorders will refuse to take their medication because they don't feel they need it or they don't like that it "numbs" them.
    With his apparent need for control, I would agree that the most he may do is alcohol and pot occasionally. I don't think he would need to self medicate to feel superior. I think he feels that without any help. I think his true drug is his criminal behavior.
    I'm still questioning how he got on his feet so easily during what was a terrible time for real estate. There had to be other methods to his money making and I doubt they were legal. That he is a pilot brings a lot of things to mind. Hell he could've been RUNNING drugs under the radar to feed his need for money and power. I think his mama knows a lot more than she is saying. Maybe she's the one who turned in the tip to the property? I think she still feared him and knew he was dangerous. Maybe her last option was to turn him in for the safety of the public.
    She knew him. She knew he was a monster. She feared him and I hope she tells what she knows now that he is safely behind bars.
    I do not for one minute think his need to see his mother had anything to do with remorse or loving his mother. It was about control and hatred in my humble opinion. He wanted to rub it in one more time for old times sake.
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    I should have clarified, by abuse, the comments in which I referred to as possibly having occurring due to structure of his casual statement on the now expired page with screencaps somewhere (the one thing TK may not be exaggerating), about 'slamming a glass down' coincided with physical beatings from I believe, "mother first, stepfather second, grandparent third." I hadn't been referencing maternal neglect alone. And honestly, if you knew the father was worse, she's not doing anyone any favors by leaving him without food, money, proper education, leaving him to become society's problem - like that poor 14 year old girl.

    IMO, it was the mother's responsibility to call law enforcement or call emergency therapy if he's threatening her, and she certainly didn't do anyone any favors by attempting to marginalize it with the judge, am I right here, she went on to claim he walked the raped girl home?? I mean, she is kind of all over the place (claiming he hasn't really been involved with mental much, just a 'few' times, if I recall correctly). If he's hurting animals, sending other people's kids down the streets, that implies quite a lack of acknowledgement or tactlessness on her part. As a parent of a child, I could hardly be so at ease with anyone abandoning a child they brought into the world, and leave for the rest of us to somehow handle... how did anyone think that we could be any more prepared?? Another reason I am not so sure about Todd's supposedly harm-free upbringing/largely due to genetics profile... again that's just me personally. I've seen too many of these cases start off with physically violent claims later confirmed by a more proper research on the upbringing...

    I also have to wonder at the amount of knives and guns that were at his natural father's house... I think it's entirely possible that aside from TK claiming to know of his father's (said to be, anyhow) "like 25" girlfriends (and with 'daddy's' comments such as, "why'd you make me look so bad" in the court all those years ago), it's possible he took his son hunting (killing) as a matter of pride (could be proof of genetic and/or social influence I suppose). This paints a picture of a rather unhealthy patriarch, I wouldn't be surprised if TK's aggression and comfortability with weapons increased as a result of some inappropriate appetite for destruction of other animals (note, not referring to the usual father/son hunt here).
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    Quote Originally Posted by PositiveLight View Post
    Hmmm! My profile of him is all over the place right now.
    He seems to have had issues from early on. Maybe he did have some birth trauma. But I will be honest when I say that I do believe there are bad seeds out there. You can give them all the love and attention and counseling you want but at the end of the day when they become adults and responsible for themselves, they will become what they want to become. I know many won't agree with me on this. But I do feel there are bad seeds. I think they are VERY rare and most of them are bad people who have been caught or yet to be caught. I think some of these bad seeds are extremely intelligent and know exactly how to manipulate their situations. If they want to get out of counseling they will pretend to be better and cured. They are master manipulators.
    I also think that their environment can make matters far worse. I can see where some of their parents just wash their hands of them. They even fear them at a young age.
    The thing is there isn't enough facilities out there to help in these situations. They end up in prison and that only teaches them ways to get away with crimes without getting caught!
    I think he is extremely off the charts smart which makes him very scary.
    I think he thought of ways to pursue his needs when he got out of prison. He was smart. He snowed so many people and I think he gets a thrill out of all of his crimes and talking and teasing LE and others about them. He is STILL in control and he is going to enjoy it thoroughly.
    He doesn't care about others at all. I think with everything he does it's calculated.
    I wouldn't be surprised if he wanted to see his mother to tell her she's the reason for his crimes. To rub it in that she created the monster. And to give her a picture to remind her everyday.
    As far as the college tuition.... I would be questioning that child. There may be a dang good reason he is doing that. To keep the child and mom quiet. "I will make sure you are taken care of as long as you keep your mouth shut about what you know."
    That demand list doesn't show me he cares about anyone. It tells me he is still "in control" or wants to feel like he is.
    He's a narcissist and nothing he does is without good reason. It is to directly give him pleasure.
    He's a thrill killer + a grudge collector + a true psychopath + poor impulse control (the possible random quick kills)+ control freak (keeping hostages) + Master manipulator = nightmare.
    I'd almost venture to say that he may have a split personality. Could explain the differences in the crimes and methods or killing and torture.
    Plus he kept up a facade of being successful. Enough to fool most people.
    It reminds me of what Ann Rule said once about Ted Bundy. He had many sides of him depending on who you were in his life. He could be the great friend and seemingly innocent guy, then the perfect boyfriend, then the monster. You saw what he wanted you to see.
    They are able to compartmentalize all these different versions of themselves and fool people into trusting them.
    This guy is a rare breed. I'm not sure if we will ever know what his true body count is unfortunately.
    He obviously got a thrill out of messaging the family members with lies and cryptic messages.
    He scares the hell out of me.
    He seems like the person that you might run into at a store and smile at or not smile at and they would follow you and kill you over some imagined wrong you have done to them.
    Those might be the random kills.
    He is a true monster. He's what nightmares are made of.
    I think the experts were right on the money with their analysis.
    The hell he is opening up now will give him nothing but pleasure. There is no remorse. Each victim will continue to give him excitement as he relives the crimes. I think he will be very detailed in his descriptions too. Because it is part of the game for him. Before it's over, even the investigators will be his victims too.
    I pray for all of his victims and their families right now. I think we will never know all of those he killed. I doubt he even knows some of their names. But I can guarantee you he can describe the crime and the location.
    I just pray he gives up all the crimes and tells everything. Even if it gives him a thrill, let him talk so these cases can be solved and the victims and their families have proper closure.
    Well said PositiveLight . Sadly, TK will claim more victims in the future, imo... The Jurors and alternates that will be forced to witness his atrocities and relive his henious crimes and be traumatized for life.. It would be reasonable to conclude that TK captured his many evil deeds on camera..

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    I will be surprised if he has a drug abuse problem. I think he would feel above that. He has a pretty good sized ego from what I've gathered. Maybe not w/regard to his physic but he feels mentally superior. I don't see him ruining that w/drugs. He may possibly enjoy some recreational drinking or relaxing w/pot but that's about all I see him using. I'll be surprised if he has a hard drug habit.
    I'm so disappointed I didn't save it, but there was an fb post of his in which he asked help identifying a shrub. Someone responded (kiddingly) that it was an MJ plant. TK replied super angrily to say how much he hated drugs and literally thinks every drug dealer should be killed (or possibly he wanted to kill them, I can't remember which). It was a vast overreaction. Now, in other places (possibly Amazon reviews?), I think he made casual pot jokes, so who knows his actual history. They kind of seemed to me the kind of weak references made by someone with little to no actual experience iirc.

    There may not be a point to this post beyond me wishing I'd captured that. Did anyone else get it?

    ETA also of note, that post was at one of the times he was posting quite a bit. Perhaps he was building up to an outburst of violence and his response had little to do with drugs and more to do with the comment being made at the wrong moment.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PositiveLight View Post
    Hmmm! My profile of him is all over the place right now.
    He seems to have had issues from early on. Maybe he did have some birth trauma. But I will be honest when I say that I do believe there are bad seeds out there. You can give them all the love and attention and counseling you want but at the end of the day when they become adults and responsible for themselves, they will become what they want to become. I know many won't agree with me on this. But I do feel there are bad seeds. I think they are VERY rare and most of them are bad people who have been caught or yet to be caught. I think some of these bad seeds are extremely intelligent and know exactly how to manipulate their situations. If they want to get out of counseling they will pretend to be better and cured. They are master manipulators.
    I also think that their environment can make matters far worse. I can see where some of their parents just wash their hands of them. They even fear them at a young age.
    The thing is there isn't enough facilities out there to help in these situations. They end up in prison and that only teaches them ways to get away with crimes without getting caught!
    I agree with you. I think it's both/and, nature plus nurture.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PositiveLight View Post
    Hmmm! My profile of him is all over the place right now.
    He seems to have had issues from early on. Maybe he did have some birth trauma. But I will be honest when I say that I do believe there are bad seeds out there. You can give them all the love and attention and counseling you want but at the end of the day when they become adults and responsible for themselves, they will become what they want to become. I know many won't agree with me on this. But I do feel there are bad seeds. I think they are VERY rare and most of them are bad people who have been caught or yet to be caught. I think some of these bad seeds are extremely intelligent and know exactly how to manipulate their situations. If they want to get out of counseling they will pretend to be better and cured. They are master manipulators.
    I also think that their environment can make matters far worse. I can see where some of their parents just wash their hands of them. They even fear them at a young age.
    The thing is there isn't enough facilities out there to help in these situations. They end up in prison and that only teaches them ways to get away with crimes without getting caught!
    I think he is extremely off the charts smart which makes him very scary.
    I think he thought of ways to pursue his needs when he got out of prison. He was smart. He snowed so many people and I think he gets a thrill out of all of his crimes and talking and teasing LE and others about them. He is STILL in control and he is going to enjoy it thoroughly.
    He doesn't care about others at all. I think with everything he does it's calculated.
    I wouldn't be surprised if he wanted to see his mother to tell her she's the reason for his crimes. To rub it in that she created the monster. And to give her a picture to remind her everyday.
    As far as the college tuition.... I would be questioning that child. There may be a dang good reason he is doing that. To keep the child and mom quiet. "I will make sure you are taken care of as long as you keep your mouth shut about what you know."
    That demand list doesn't show me he cares about anyone. It tells me he is still "in control" or wants to feel like he is.
    He's a narcissist and nothing he does is without good reason. It is to directly give him pleasure.
    He's a thrill killer + a grudge collector + a true psychopath + poor impulse control (the possible random quick kills)+ control freak (keeping hostages) + Master manipulator = nightmare.
    I'd almost venture to say that he may have a split personality. Could explain the differences in the crimes and methods or killing and torture.
    Plus he kept up a facade of being successful. Enough to fool most people.
    It reminds me of what Ann Rule said once about Ted Bundy. He had many sides of him depending on who you were in his life. He could be the great friend and seemingly innocent guy, then the perfect boyfriend, then the monster. You saw what he wanted you to see.
    They are able to compartmentalize all these different versions of themselves and fool people into trusting them.
    This guy is a rare breed. I'm not sure if we will ever know what his true body count is unfortunately.
    He obviously got a thrill out of messaging the family members with lies and cryptic messages.
    He scares the hell out of me.
    He seems like the person that you might run into at a store and smile at or not smile at and they would follow you and kill you over some imagined wrong you have done to them.
    Those might be the random kills.
    He is a true monster. He's what nightmares are made of.
    I think the experts were right on the money with their analysis.
    The hell he is opening up now will give him nothing but pleasure. There is no remorse. Each victim will continue to give him excitement as he relives the crimes. I think he will be very detailed in his descriptions too. Because it is part of the game for him. Before it's over, even the investigators will be his victims too.
    I pray for all of his victims and their families right now. I think we will never know all of those he killed. I doubt he even knows some of their names. But I can guarantee you he can describe the crime and the location.
    I just pray he gives up all the crimes and tells everything. Even if it gives him a thrill, let him talk so these cases can be solved and the victims and their families have proper closure.
    BBM

    Agree.

    Very likely.

    Agree, again.
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    Quote Originally Posted by b_lab7410 View Post
    I should have clarified, by abuse, the comments in which I referred to as possibly having occurring due to structure of his casual statement on the now expired page with screencaps somewhere (the one thing TK may not be exaggerating), about 'slamming a glass down' coincided with physical beatings from I believe, "mother first, stepfather second, grandparent third." I hadn't been referencing maternal neglect alone. And honestly, if you knew the father was worse, she's not doing anyone any favors by leaving him without food, money, proper education, leaving him to become society's problem - like that poor 14 year old girl.

    IMO, it was the mother's responsibility to call law enforcement or call emergency therapy if he's threatening her, and she certainly didn't do anyone any favors by attempting to marginalize it with the judge, am I right here, she went on to claim he walked the raped girl home?? I mean, she is kind of all over the place. If he's hurting animals, sending other people's kids down the streets, that implies quite a lack of acknowledgement or tactlessness on her part. As a parent of a child, I could hardly be so at ease with anyone abandoning a child they brought into the world, and leave for the rest of us to somehow handle... how did anyone think that we could be any more prepared?? Another reason I am not so sure about Todd's supposedly harm-free upbringing/largely due to genetics profile... again that's just me personally. I've seen too many of these cases start off with physically violent claims later confirmed by a more proper research on the upbringing...

    I also have to wonder at the amount of knives and guns that were at his natural father's house... I think it's entirely possible that aside from TK claiming to know of his father's (said to be, anyhow) "like 25" girlfriends (and with 'daddy's' comments such as, "why'd you make me look so bad" in the court all those years ago), it's possible he took his son hunting (killing) as a matter of pride (could be proof of genetic and/or social influence I suppose). This paints a picture of a rather unhealthy patriarchal influence as well, I wouldn't be surprised if TK's aggression and comfortability with weapons increased as a result of some inappropriate appetite for destruction of other animals (note, not referring to the usual father/son hunt here).
    .
    I just don't believe most of what he's said. Look how easily he lies. He was born this way or something happened to him at an early age, that caused his disorders. I can see Mom being all over the place. I can see Mom being afraid of him. We don't know that she didn't tell someone else. Even if she told the police? Big deal. He'd have to have actually, physically, harmed her, for them to act. This is why I believe he was sent to the private school. Private schools aren't cheap. It was two hours away from where his mother lived. When you are at your wit's end w/ a kid with these diagnosis, and in that era there were no support groups for parents, no internet to talk to other parents, or research alternatives, then you do what you have to do to maintain your sanity, and safety. But even if she helped him, and wrote that letter, she knew to be afraid of him. That's my gut feeling on Mom. She is probably horrified, and relieved, and feeling safe, right now. I may be wrong. She may have beat the Holy ***** out of him and tortured him relentlessly, along with Dad, Step-Dad, and Grandparents, but I just don't buy what he's selling.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rsd1200 View Post
    I will be surprised if he has a drug abuse problem. I think he would feel above that. He has a pretty good sized ego from what I've gathered. Maybe not w/regard to his physic but he feels mentally superior. I don't see him ruining that w/drugs. He may possibly enjoy some recreational drinking or relaxing w/pot but that's about all I see him using. I'll be surprised if he has a hard drug habit.
    Not abuse rsd1200....drug use.. Meth creates psychopathic personalities ....and an extreme unpredictably brazened and violent behavior..

    TN Senators convened March 11th, 2014 for a judiciary committee hearing to look at several bills aimed at curbing meth use in Tennessee, and TBI Director Mark Gwyn shared some pains of the drug from the front lines of law enforcement. It’s relevant in this hearing because TBI Director Mark Gwyn said Holly Bobo’s murder kidnapping case has to do with meth.

    “I worked one of the first methamphetamine-related murders back into the 90s, where a guy kidnapped two young men, tortured them for seven days, killed both of them, threw them off into Center Hill Lake,” Gwyn said. “Fast-forward to 2014, and I thought in my career that would be the only time I would ever see anything like that.”

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    Quote Originally Posted by rsd1200 View Post
    I've not gone further than the Maricopa review, just yet, however, children with antisocial and conduct disorders, can feel remorse, and can care about others. They just care about themselves, and what they want, MORE. They don't see that their manipulation of others is a problem. If they do something for someone else, they usually get something out of it too. However, a small percentage of kids with these disorders will grow up to have antisocial personality disorder. [FONT=Arial, sans-serif][COLOR=#111111]APD is very hard to treat. Mostly, again, because the person does not feel they have a problem. They don't see where they are ever in the wrong. It's always someone else's fault. They are not sociopaths nor psychopaths. They have very little empathy for others. They're impulsive. Easily angered if things don't go their way. They are usually diagnosed w/conduct disorders as a child or young adult. I'm not surprised about his thinking of his mother though, as I'd guess that she's been someone who has never bailed on him. Even though she probably was afraid of him at times and wanted to bail, at times. (just a guess)
    I would like to respectfully disagree on something here, antisocial personalities are sociopaths and/or psychopaths. They just give off the vibe they care, they are exceptionally pathological in cases of borderline personality disorder alone, let alone narcissism. Basically they are highly adaptive, are constantly learning, mimic normal human behavior, and excel at this after a certain age (as their minds swindle around with calculated thought-processes that the average person presumes is authentic. They may be functional sociopaths and/or psychopaths, that is all. They can marry, keep friends, but they use them all in some shape or another. There is probably no genuine connection with anyone in where they may feel safe enough to communicate their true motives and rather dark perception of the world at that point. And if confronted with their trigger, or trigger persons (social persons, if you will), you may glimpse the more stranger behavior they keep hidden from their 'close' connections/family.

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