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    ID - DeOrr Kunz, Jr., 2, Timber Creek Campground, 10 July 2015 - #30

    Lemhi County sheriff: DeOrr's case 'has to be a homicide'
    Dean Johnson, KTVB July 07, 2016

    BOISE - It' has been nearly a year now since 3-year-old DeOrr Kunz Jr. went missing while on a camping trip with his family near Leadore, Idaho. It's a story that's garnered national attention, especially with last week's People Magazine article in which the toddler's parents outline what happened that day, and what they've done since.

    On Thursday, Lemhi County Sheriff Lynn Bowerman told KTVB he thinks the parents are hiding something.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Onebest View Post
    Remember, We have been instructed not to discuss THAT fur creature. Good idea to respect that IMO.

    While I appreciate efforts to analyze 911 calls we can only go off of what we have been given and we dont even have enough information on that because some of it is not released. Our ability as lay folks on a forum does not give us authority to ensure anything for LE, FBI or even PI hired by the family.

    We cannot be "constructive" working on half a deck because thats is all that is allowed due to the fact thats it is an active investigation. We can only review facts as given and those are slim to none. Thats why folks keep suggesting that we stick with what we have been given as slight as it is. JMO
    One 911 recording has been released, the whole 4 minutes 37 seconds, (excluding only address and phone number), any websleuth can listen to it, also information about crosstalk in telecomms equipment is available on the internet,
    I haven't reached a definite conclusion yet about whether they are standing next to each other or whether it's electronic crosstalk,
    And a link to the ban on discussing cougars would be useful thanks,
    Last edited by koios; 11-09-2016 at 07:55 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by koios View Post
    From previous thread

    One 911 recording has been released, the whole 4 minutes 37 seconds, (excluding only address and phone number), any websleuth can listen to it, also information about crosstalk in telecomms equipment is available on the internet,
    I haven't reached a definite conclusion yet about whether they are standing next to each other or whether it's electronic crosstalk,
    And a link to the ban on discussing cougars would be useful thanks,
    BBM
    Last Thread, Post #375

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    Quote Originally Posted by TxJan1971 View Post
    BBM
    Last Thread, Post #375
    Thanks, I can't find any restrictions in post 375 of thread 29 or 28, maybe the post has moved?

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    Quote Originally Posted by koios View Post
    Thanks, I can't find any restrictions in post 375 of thread 29 or 28, maybe the post has moved?
    I have it as post 975.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ModernAudrey View Post
    I have it as post 975.
    sorry...it is post 975 as you clarified and was a typo on my part

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    Quote Originally Posted by ModernAudrey View Post
    I have it as post 975.
    Thanks 975 it is, I won't mention again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by koios View Post
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    One 911 recording has been released, the whole 4 minutes 37 seconds, (excluding only address and phone number), any websleuth can listen to it, also information about crosstalk in telecomms equipment is available on the internet,
    I haven't reached a definite conclusion yet about whether they are standing next to each other or whether it's electronic crosstalk,
    And a link to the ban on discussing cougars would be useful thanks,
    Are you of the opinion that the 911 call was dealt with on an E 9-1-1 system or the latest NG - 911? I only ask because the newest technology is supposed to identify the GPS co-ordinates of the caller (rather than the caller's registered home details) & during J's call the precise location details seemed to be an issue.
    I have also read that Idaho Public Safety Answering Points utilise equipment from a range of manufacturers which makes it difficult to address any issue of electronic crosstalk during recording.

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    In the list of hits by the dog Chance.
    Hit #3 is "139 Feet East of the Cattle Guard in the camp ground – in a loose ground area"
    The report says "Excavation was undertaken by LE and KIC – this area needs to be further exhumed and was turned over to Law Enforcement for further investigation by their team"
    I wonder whether an explanation for this hit has been found, or whether it remains unexplained.
    http://www.eastidahonews.com/2016/07...orr-kunz-case/

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    Quote Originally Posted by misty48 View Post
    Are you of the opinion that the 911 call was dealt with on an E 9-1-1 system or the latest NG - 911? I only ask because the newest technology is supposed to identify the GPS co-ordinates of the caller (rather than the caller's registered home details) & during J's call the precise location details seemed to be an issue.
    I have also read that Idaho Public Safety Answering Points utilise equipment from a range of manufacturers which makes it difficult to address any issue of electronic crosstalk during recording.
    The dispatch center which handled the 911 calls is in Salmon. All new $275000 "state of the art" equipment was installed early 2104. I don't know if it is able to grab gps location from gps-fitted mobiles. Interesting question.
    http://salmonidaho.com/content/grant...ate-911-system
    http://psc.apcointl.org/2013/04/23/l...spatch-system/


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    Quote Originally Posted by koios View Post
    The dispatch center which handled the 911 calls is in Salmon. All new $275000 "state of the art" equipment was installed early 2104. I don't know if it is able to grab gps location from gps-fitted mobiles. Interesting question.
    http://salmonidaho.com/content/grant...ate-911-system
    http://psc.apcointl.org/2013/04/23/l...spatch-system/
    Here's a report for you to peruse. Maybe you'll glean a little more useful information from it than I can.
    https://ioem.idaho.gov/Pages/ECC/Doc...911%20Plan.pdf

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    https://ioem.idaho.gov/Pages/ECC/Doc...911%20Plan.pdf
    I think Lemhi County dispatch center new equipment early 2014 would be Enhanced 911 capable.
    But in the recording of J's 911 the operator is asking directions.
    If her phone didn't have GPS, that would explain it?
    Last edited by koios; 11-09-2016 at 10:03 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by koios View Post
    https://ioem.idaho.gov/Pages/ECC/Doc...911%20Plan.pdf
    I think Lemhi County dispatch center new equipment early 2014 would be Enhanced 911 capable.
    But in the recording of J's 911 the operator is asking directions.
    If her phone didn't have GPS, that would explain it?
    A link from way back in 2008 about cell phone GPS & emergency calls
    http://stackoverflow.com/questions/3...e-work-exactly.

    Perhaps the operator didn't quite know the workings of the equipment she was using?

    A video here giving some idea about how the latest recording system works.
    http://www.vpi-corp.com/911-radio-recording-logging.asp

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    Quote Originally Posted by misty48 View Post
    A link from way back in 2008 about cell phone GPS & emergency calls
    http://stackoverflow.com/questions/3...e-work-exactly.

    Perhaps the operator didn't quite know the workings of the equipment she was using?

    A video here giving some idea about how the latest recording system works.
    http://www.vpi-corp.com/911-radio-recording-logging.asp
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    Thanks for the links. Were V and J phones both with same network?
    Sometimes during a mobile call when reception is poor I have heard other conversations in the background noise. Anyone else?

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    Quote Originally Posted by misty48 View Post
    A link from way back in 2008 about cell phone GPS & emergency calls
    http://stackoverflow.com/questions/3...e-work-exactly.

    Perhaps the operator didn't quite know the workings of the equipment she was using?

    A video here giving some idea about how the latest recording system works.
    http://www.vpi-corp.com/911-radio-recording-logging.asp
    I doubt that, here where I live we are trained for such jobs, in fact there are schooling courses that teach 911 dispatch. It is a higher paid job than just the clerk at the store, you just don't walk in off the street and get a job such as a 911 dispatcher, without having training.

    I know that every state is different, maybe some that live in Idaho can answer on whether or not the 911 dispatch are just joes off the street that are unsure of the equipment or they are schooled and trained on how to handle an emergency 911 call,

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