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    The Sidebar - Harris Trial #3 *VERDICT - GUILTY*

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    I think that today will be the day. Justice for Cooper!

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    Hoping today is the day!

    Here are two questions the jury asked so far ...

    1. What do the videos show?
    Early on in deliberations, the jury asked to review three videos from the day Cooper died: Harris’ interview with lead detective Phil Stoddard, his reunion with now ex-wife Leanna Taylor in a police interrogation room, and his return to his SUV at lunchtime.

    2. What does “wanton” mean?
    Jurors asked the court to define “wanton,” which appears in the definition of criminal negligence — “an act or failure to act which demonstrates a willful, wanton, or reckless disregard for the safety of others who might reasonably be expected to be injured thereby,” according to Georgia law. That means Harris knew his son could be hurt as a result of his actions, in this case, his serial sexting with online strangers. The judge declined to provide a definition.

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    Quote Originally Posted by arkansasmimi View Post
    Agree, but we also do not know for how long he had been doing the texting, sexting, meeting people for bj, prostitutes. We heard from one lady that he had sext with that he some way had a hook up with a male, but that all. (not that I do not believe if for a sec honestly) But again, iirc the earliest we KNOW about is 2013, so very possible sadly that he could have been doing for longer. We only know about the time frame prior to him getting his records looked at because of a search warrant on his electronics. And again I do not condone it. He should be held responsible, but I do see those being appealed on because of the SW and the Motions of how the SW was written. Would those records have been found in a normal investigation if they had not been looking for the alleged hot car death searches that allegedly RH said he made? That is what the SW was fo to check the phone because it had internet capabilities. Defense filed motion Dec 2015 fruit of the poisonous tree....

    Fruit of the Poisonous Tree

    The principle that prohibits the use of secondary evidence in trial that was culled directly from primary evidence derived from an illegal Search and Seizure.
    The "fruit of the poisonous tree" doctrine is an offspring of the Exclusionary Rule. The exclusionary rule mandates that evidence obtained from an illegal arrest, unreasonable search, or coercive interrogation must be excluded from trial. Under the fruit of the poisonous tree doctrine, evidence is also excluded from trial if it was gained through evidence uncovered in an illegal arrest, unreasonable search, or coercive interrogation. Like the exclusionary rule, the fruit of the poisonous tree doctrine was established primarily to deter law enforcement from violating rights against unreasonable searches and seizures.
    The name fruit of the poisonous tree is thus a metaphor: the poisonous tree is evidence seized in an illegal arrest, search, or interrogation by law enforcement. The fruit of this poisonous tree is evidence later discovered because of knowledge gained from the first illegal search, arrest, or interrogation. The poisonous tree and the fruit are both excluded from a criminal trial.
    Assume that a police officer searches the automobile of a person stopped for a minor traffic violation. This violation is the only reason the officer conducts the search; nothing indicates that the driver is impaired by drugs or alcohol, and no other circumstances would lead a reasonable officer to believe that the car contains evidence of a crime. This is an unreasonable search under the Fourth Amendment to the U.S. Constitution. http://legal-dictionary.thefreedicti...Poisonous+Tree


    I don't think there was any "escalation" either, though I surely do see why the State wanted to press that narrative.

    Ross Harris hooked up with a college-aged woman to have her give him a BJ as early as 2012. So at least 2 years prior to Cooper's death he had already gone beyond just sexting. His initial contact with at least 2 of the 3 minors also dated back months, and iirc, the contact with one minor stretched back 2 years before Cooper's death.

    Who knows if prostitutes were a "new thing, " but I somehow doubt it, and in any case, I don't see paying for sex (was it 3x's) as an escalation from sexting with minors.

    We don't even know if RH was spending more time sexting in May or June than he had done in February or April 2014, or in November 2013, to choose previous months at random.

    Start to finish, first day of the investigation on through the last day of trial, LE and the State have misrepresentated /taken out of context much of RH's online activities, everything from searches that were never made to twisting the definition of sexting to make their narrative work (Boring, closing: "RH was sexting at the intersection. ". Bull).

    In doing the timeline for June 18 part of what struck me is how little his work day conformed to the State's portrayal of a man who sat there sexting all day - 6 women, or was it 36, doing little to nothing else, and most provocatively, sexting as Cooper died.


    RH surely didn't seem to be much focused on work for long stretches, but neither was he sexting all day from what I can tell, and neither did he seem to be sexting in the AM before lunch.

    Despite Frist's funky testimony on the point, Cooper was most likely dead well before RH seems to have begun sexting, after lunch, when he replied to a message sent by the woman who had given him that blowjob in 2012 , telling him she was horny. (**That sexting exchange: 1:17-2:30)
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    I took the last three days away from Coopers trial. Hoping today is the day. I am getting concern for how long it is taking, anyone else? Or do you think its just coming down to decide on which to charge him with.

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    If anything comes up in court, I believe this is the live stream video:

    https://livestream.com/accounts/18968940/events/6445138

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    Mon Nov 14, 8:06:43am
    redhotmess: Cathy ‏@courtchatter 10s10 seconds ago
    #RossHarris - Cameras are up in the courtroom. Watch: http://www.courtchatter.com/ross-harris-live-stream-5

    ETA: CourtChatter: They are probably already deliberating. I think we are just staring at a door
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    Quote Originally Posted by keeponsearching View Post
    I took the last three days away from Coopers trial. Hoping today is the day. I am getting concern for how long it is taking, anyone else? Or do you think its just coming down to decide on which to charge him with.
    There may be some who can't decide. Heck, look at us here (WS), we have different views on what happened.


    This post is my opinion only, and is subject to making me look totally confused

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    Just a reminder: LE didn't get any of their evidence because of a routine traffic stop.

    They found a dead baby lying on hot asphalt.

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    Originally Posted by keeponsearching View Post
    I took the last three days away from Coopers trial. Hoping today is the day. I am getting concern for how long it is taking, anyone else? Or do you think its just coming down to decide on which to charge him with
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    There may be some who can't decide. Heck, look at us here (WS), we have different views on what happened.
    Agree..And WS has had more delib time than they have had too. They got the case on 11/8/2016 half day court due to election. Full days Wed and Thurs, but they also have watched the video of RH/Stoddard, RH/LH/Stoddard and the lunch video. Had full lunch times and multiple breaks.

    JMHO, some did't wait for State to finish their case in chief/wait for Def/closing arguments,... just straight to verdict. I personally will not be shocked no matter what the verdict is.
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    Quote Originally Posted by EquallyDivided View Post
    Just a reminder: LE didn't get any of their evidence because of a routine traffic stop.

    They found a dead baby lying on hot asphalt.

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    RBBM, as long as we are reminding, that is not why they had RH iPhone5 to begin with. Also LEO didn't "Find a dead baby on hot asphalt, the baby was put there trying to do CPR. 911 was called and then Gallimore and Folgia had a wreck in front of the crime scene, so they came upon the the scene not called to it. Just trying to keep in context. JMHO

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    Duffie Dixon 11Alive Verified account ‏@DuffieDixon 14m14 minutes ago

    Jury in the #RossHarris murder trial got a late start this morning. Resumed deliberations behind closed doors at 8:45 am #11Alive

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    Quote Originally Posted by EquallyDivided View Post
    Just a reminder: LE didn't get any of their evidence because of a routine traffic stop.

    They found a dead baby lying on hot asphalt.

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    Sure, but Stoddard had no right to enter RH's phone without a search warrant, and yet, he was asking for the password. Twice.

    June 2014 Supreme Court Ruling
    "The fact that technology now allows an individual to carry such information in his hand does not make the information any less worthy of the protection for which the Founders fought," the ruling said. "Our answer to the question of what police must do before searching a cell phone seized incident to an arrest is accordingly simple — get a warrant."

    Quote from CNN: "The Supreme Court on Wednesday unanimously ruled that police may not search the cell phones of criminal suspects upon arrest without a warrant -- a sweeping endorsement for privacy rights.

    "By a 9-0 vote, the justices said smart phones and other electronic devices were not in the same category as wallets, briefcases, and vehicles -- all currently subject to limited initial examination by law enforcement."

    Last edited by FinallyRegistered; 11-14-2016 at 10:52 AM.

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