CA CA - Granada Hills, WhtFem UP8868, 16-22, In Ravine @ Base of Cliff, May'71

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Unidentified White Female

Found May 22
, 1971 in Los Angeles County, CA
Body Condition:
Not recognizable - Partial skeletal parts only
Probable year of death: to


Vital Statistics
Estimated age: 16-22
Approximate Height: 68 estimate
Approximate Weight: cannot estimate.
Hair Color: Brown







Clothing & Accessories

Clothing:
nothing
Jewerly: nothing

Footwear:
nothing
Accessories: nothing


Identifiers
Fingerprints:
Fingerprint information is not available
Dentals:
Dental information / charting is available and entered
DNA:
Sample is currently not available

Case History:
On 5/22/1971 these human skeletal remains were found in a ravine at the base of a cliff by some kids who were in the area. A major brush fire had gone thru this are during Sept. 1970, and there have been heavy rains and an earthquake since that time.
 
So if there was a brush fire can they tell if she died before or after or even during the fire? I feel like there would definitely be burn marks if she had been there before the brush fire.
 
Was there any more specific of location information than L.A County ravine/Granada Hills? Because I lived there at the time and heard nothing about it.
 
Are dentals automatically compared if both MP and UD in NamUs?
 
I called and suggested that she could be Robin Graham a while back.
 
As of the 22nd of this month, Granada Hills Jane Doe has been unidentified for 47 years.
 
Wonder if she fell or was thrown off the cliff?

The information given says that no clothing or other accessories were found with her. That suggests she was nude which in turn suggests she was thrown or put there.

However, it might depend on how accessible the top of the cliff was above where she was found. 100lb+ of deadweight is not something most men would be able to carry very far unless they were in the military, or had been so in the not too distant past.
 
Some posted a while back on another case that LA county routinely cremated UID remains. If that happened in this case I doubt there's any realistic prospect of identifying this woman.
 
This Jane Doe has a DoeNetwork page now:

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Date of Discovery: May 22, 1971
Location of Discovery: Granada Hills, Los Angeles County, California
Estimated Date of Death: Unknown
State of Remains: Partial skeletal
Cause of Death: Unknown

Physical Description
Estimated Age: 16-22 years old
Race: White
Sex: Female
Height: 5'8"
Weight: Unknown
Hair Color: Brown
Eye Color: Unknown
Distinguishing Marks/Features: Unknown

Identifiers
Dentals: Unknown.
Fingerprints: Not available.
DNA: Unknown.

Clothing & Personal Items
Clothing: Unknown.
Jewelry: Unknown.
Additional Personal Items: Unknown.

Circumstances of Discovery
Children discovered the partial skeleton of a young female at the base of a ravine at the base of a cliff at the 18900 block of Braemore Road in Granada Hills, California. A fire had passed through the area in September 1970; heavy rains and an earthquake following the fire and may have moved the ramains.

Investigating Agency(s)
Agency Name: Los Angeles County Coroner
Agency Contact Person: Betsy Magdaleno
Agency Phone Number: 323-343-0512
Agency E-Mail: idunit(at)coroner.lacounty.gov
Agency Case Number: 1971-05504

NCIC Case Number: Unknown
NamUs Case Number: 8868

Information Source(s)
NamUs
 
I wonder if this could have been a victim of the serial killer Mack Ray Edwards. This LA Times article from 2008 said Edwards mostly killed kids and teenagers in this area from the 1950s to 1970. He even attacked another victim right in Granada Hills, 3 years before this body was found:

In December 1968, he said, he broke into a Granada Hills home, planning to kidnap a 13-year-old girl, but ended up shooting her 16-year-old brother, Gary Rocha, instead.

Full article, in case it disappears:

Teen victim of serial murderer may be unearthed
By ANDREW BLANKSTEIN
OCT. 3, 2008

Investigators on the trail of a notorious serial killer say they are close to locating the remains of yet another child victim, who disappeared four decades ago.

Authorities plan to excavate a site in Ventura County in hopes of finding the remains of Roger Dale Madison, a 16-year-old boy whom Mack Ray Edwards confessed to stabbing.

In 1970, Edwards, a 51-year-old heavy-equipment operator, told Los Angeles police that he had killed six boys and girls over a 15-year period. He later told a Los Angeles County jailer that the real number of victims was closer to 18.

Police believe he buried the children near the freeway construction sites where he worked during California’s freeway-building boom of the 1950s and ‘60s. Each body they find gives them more information about his methods, which could help link him to other crimes.

Edwards hanged himself in a San Quentin State Prison cell in 1971. But before his death, he provided key details that led investigators to the site where he disposed of his first victim, 8-year-old Stella Darlene Nolan, who disappeared in 1953.

Her remains were discovered in Downey, under 8 feet of earth, near a bridge abutment under the 5 Freeway.

Mack, who moved to Los Angeles from Arkansas, also described killing Madison, a friend and classmate of his teenage son. He told detectives he used a bulldozer to dispose of the youth somewhere along the 23 Freeway in Thousand Oaks when the roadway was under construction.

“It was his intimate knowledge of these often desolate sites, where it was easy to dispose of a body with little danger of discovery, that I think allowed him to kill repeatedly,” said Det. Vivian Flores of the Los Angeles Police Department. “His work was a huge part of it. It was essential to his crimes.”

Flores would not divulge the exact location of the planned excavation or say when it would begin. But she did describe the site as a compaction hole.

Freeway engineers use compaction holes during construction to determine if the underlying soil can support the structures being built above them.

The description Edwards initially gave detectives was so broad it fit most parts of the freeway, which connects Thousand Oaks and Simi Valley. But after police went public with the long-forgotten cases last year, tips came in that helped them narrow the field considerably, Flores said.

A retired Caltrans engineer contributed a personal log containing notes with precise descriptions of the progress of the freeway construction.

“It had weather, the phase of construction and their locations,” Flores said. “It helped us correlate the time period when Roger went missing on Dec. 14, 1968, to what was going on” with the freeway’s construction.

It also helped confirm details of Madison’s killing and verified details that Edwards had mentioned, like getting his truck stuck in the mud as he buried the boy.

“The logs showed it was raining for the entire week before the murder, which would mean nobody was around at the site,” Flores said. “It also helped us pinpoint a location where construction was taking place.”

The detectives’ next step was to use cadaver dogs. Two sets of search dogs brought in at different times homed in on the same patch of ground next to the freeway, Flores said.

Detectives also got positive readings when they tested soil in a machine that identifies chemicals found in decomposing human remains. They also used ground-penetrating radar, which showed an anomaly adjacent to the locations where the dogs had reacted.

The upcoming operation may take more than a week and is likely to include several dozen law enforcement and forensics personnel from agencies including the LAPD, Pasadena police, Los Angeles County and Ventura County sheriff’s departments, Caltrans and the FBI. Forensic scientists from as far away as the Oak Ridge National Laboratory in Tennessee also will be on hand.

The effort to reconstruct what happened on the 23 Freeway began several years ago, prompted by the determined and enterprising work of Pasadena author Weston DeWalt.

He was researching the 1957 disappearance of 8-year-old Tommy Bowman in the Arroyo Seco when he made the link between a sketch in a police file of a man seen following the boy to a newspaper photo he had seen of Edwards being led into a courtroom in handcuffs.

In 2006, DeWalt interviewed Edwards’ widow and other relatives. A family member showed him a letter from Edwards to his wife, Mary, written when he was on death row.

“I was going to add one more to the first statement” to the LAPD, he wrote, “and that was the Tommy Bowman boy that disappeared in Pasadena. But I felt I would really make a mess of that one so I left him out of it.”

Last year, the LAPD, Pasadena and Torrance police, the state Department of Justice and the Los Angeles County Sheriff’s Department went public with their investigation into the decades-old child murders.

The first of the six killings Edwards confessed to was Nolan’s in 1953. He snatched her from a Norwalk refreshment stand where her mother worked. Days after he confessed, police found the girl’s remains near the freeway abutment in Downey.

Edwards told police that three years later he killed his 11-year-old sister-in-law and her 13-year-old friend.

He said he did not kill again until the late 1960s, when he moved to Sylmar with his wife, son and daughter. In December 1968, he said, he broke into a Granada Hills home, planning to kidnap a 13-year-old girl, but ended up shooting her 16-year-old brother, Gary Rocha, instead. That same month, Madison vanished.

Edwards also confessed to killing Donald Allen Todd, another neighborhood boy who was found shot and sexually abused in May 1969.

Detectives believe Edwards may be responsible for the deaths of three more children: Bruce Kremen, 7, who disappeared in July 1960 from a YMCA camp in the Angeles National Forest and was never found; and two 11-year-old girls from Torrance, Karen Lynn Tompkins and Dorothy Gale Brown. Both girls vanished within a year of each other. Although Tompkins was never seen again, Brown’s strangled body was found by recreational divers off Corona del Mar on July 4, 1962.

Edwards told police he decided to go to the LAPD’s Foothill Division station and confess after he made a mistake.

On March 6, 1970, he said, he and a 15-year-old accomplice kidnapped three sisters, ages 12 to 14, from their Sylmar home. Edwards forced the girls to write a note telling their parents that they were running away from home before he took them to a remote area near Newhall.

The girls were former neighbors of Edwards’ and they recognized him. Two of them escaped and a third girl was rescued; none was assaulted.

Fearing he soon would be identified, Edwards said he decided to tell his story to police.​
 
Dentals are available here. Are Dixie Arensen's dental records available? If so it would be pretty abhorrent police work if they hadn't been compared yet.
 
Dentals are available here. Are Dixie Arensen's dental records available? If so it would be pretty abhorrent police work if they hadn't been compared yet.
I've tried to submit her. She doesn't have dental records available. I suppose if there's a photo of her smiling, a forensic dentist type could compare them, but I have no clue if such photos exist.
 

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